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Gav: Hello and welcome to the podcast on Haunted

Gav: Hill, episode 144.

Dan: My name's Gav and my name's Dan.

Gav: Welcome, welcome, your guides through the

Gav: world of dirty, dingy, 80s New York's trash

Gav: and rats.

Gav: The segue straight away.

Gav: There we go.

Gav: Got rats in my loft.

Dan: There's not a goat man, that's what it is.

Dan: It's not a goat man, it's just a giant rat.

Gav: There's a lot of rats up there.

Gav: The other night it kept me awake.

Gav: It was like a party.

Gav: It was literally like there's a rat orgy.

Gav: I don't know.

Gav: I was like fuck's sake.

Dan: I'd hate to be involved in a rat orgy,

Dan: unless I was a rat, of course.

Gav: Well, it's just a regular orgy for anyone

Gav: else.

Gav: Really, whatever thing it is, you put orgy

Gav: to it, it is still what that is.

Gav: But multiple variations of that Dern things

Gav: and putting things where things sometimes

Gav: don't go and sometimes do go.

Dan: Wow, so we've kicked off with rat orgies.

Dan: This is great, but yes, you're right, new

Dan: York is full of rats and we're going to be

Dan: discussing New York a lot in this episode.

Gav: We could call it the episode rat orgies.

Dan: Rat orgies, there we go.

Gav: Will that be my punk trash, punk band?

Dan: Rat orgies that does sound like just rat

Dan: orgy would be the name.

Dan: Rat orgy.

Dan: Yeah, so for this episode, yes, we will be

Dan: traveling to New York in the early 80s and,

Dan: as you've seen, if you've clicked you know,

Dan: we will be covering basket case from 1982.

Dan: And chud from 1984.

Dan: Two films that, and we'll get into this,

Dan: but two films that kind of always sat out

Dan: on the shelves when I used to go in the in

Dan: the video store and you know the covers of

Dan: them and you'd wonder what it is about them.

Dan: Was it going to be?

Dan: They rely on some special effects or

Dan: practical effects.

Dan: So, yeah, we're going to be discussing

Dan: those.

Dan: They're our main reviews.

Dan: But we'll also be talking about New York,

Dan: the New York, the weird hot pot creativity

Dan: that is New York, especially in the early

Dan: 80s, and all the stuff that happened.

Dan: We'll talk about some films that you may

Dan: want to watch to get you in the mood, if

Dan: you like, your New York movies, your New

Dan: York horror movies and some some creature

Dan: stuff as well from this sort of period,

Dan: because this is, you know, before 85.

Dan: So it's that nice sweet spot between the

Dan: late 70s and early 80s and mid 80s where

Dan: people were just we talked about it before.

Dan: But you said you know the effects, guys,

Dan: with a rock stars at this point and you

Dan: know if you could pull off some great

Dan: effects you would get the ladies and the

Dan: cocaine.

Gav: Yes, especially 80s New York very much

Gav: crack and cocaine, crack and coke, crack

Gav: and coke baby yeah.

Gav: So that's what we're doing today Quite

Gav: interesting run, really Kind of.

Gav: We've delved into sort of New York type

Gav: films I've always liked.

Gav: For me, when I first got into hip Hipbitty

Gav: hop, new York was like you know where some

Gav: great hip hop was coming from, and it's

Gav: always like I've never been there.

Gav: I'd love to go there but, like you know,

Gav: beasties came from there and just so many

Gav: cool things.

Gav: Such a cultured place.

Dan: It is a hot pot.

Dan: I hate to use the term, but it is a hot pot.

Gav: And yeah, and certain movies and you know

Gav: the look of these movies we're looking at

Gav: today Kind of also like Driller, killer,

Gav: things like that.

Dan: Yeah, we'll get into all of that,

Dan: definitely.

Dan: I've been there twice, so I'd like to sort

Dan: of chair some of that as well.

Dan: But yeah, so before we, before we head over

Dan: to New York, how are you?

Dan: What have you been doing?

Dan: What are you doing?

Dan: What's going on in your life?

Gav: Not much the normal stuff really.

Gav: I was wondering still trying to do delge

Gav: into what Delge, delge, delge it's a new

Gav: word, new word what I should do for my

Gav: birthday.

Gav: I think you know episode and I still think

Gav: I will.

Gav: So I was watching just before I came on.

Gav: I think I might do it, it's that or

Gav: something else, but I'm not sure what.

Gav: I still think I'll do.

Gav: It should be Studio 6 at 6.

Gav: One thing I think I'm going to do I think

Gav: we'll go there.

Gav: I think, we'll do it, yep.

Dan: Are you making the decision live as we

Dan: record?

Gav: I think so, otherwise I won't commit to it.

Dan: Excellent.

Dan: So that's the sorcerer of William.

Dan: Friedkin, studio 6 at 6.

Gav: Older film yeah, so the sorcerer is going

Gav: to be a really good conversation and I'd

Gav: love to have done something like the Holy

Gav: Mountain, but those two are both fucking

Gav: deep movies.

Gav: Oh gosh, very heavy, heavy shit going on.

Gav: I don't especially Holy Mountain, so I've

Gav: picked something to go live and I thought

Gav: Studio 6 at 6, because it's also Netflix

Gav: recently, for I know UK, I presume

Gav: Stateside and the rest of the world as well,

Gav: so everyone can sort of watch it.

Gav: So it's always good for people, because

Gav: sorcerer is not going to be everyone's cup

Gav: of tea.

Dan: Yeah, cool, and it isn't about a sorcerer,

Dan: so I know I was kind of cussing.

Gav: Spoiler alert Because I thought it was

Gav: going to be, but yeah, it wasn't.

Gav: But it's actually kind of cool.

Gav: I did go to the cinema, though.

Gav: Ben and I went.

Gav: The other night we went and watched

Gav: Thanksgiving the Eli Roth Thanksgiving.

Dan: Oh right, please tell me.

Dan: This is the first time I'm hearing about

Dan: your views, and it tells me and our

Dan: listeners what you thought.

Dan: No spoilers, though.

Gav: No, I won't.

Gav: Well, it's funny because I was kind of like

Gav: actually, you know it's Eli Roth.

Gav: I've kind of not moaned about him before,

Gav: but he's kind of like Rob Zombie.

Gav: They can mimic Eli Roth.

Dan: They're buddies, aren't they?

Gav: Yeah, well, I expected it would hold Orders.

Gav: They could both really make a film.

Gav: They know how to make a movie and they both

Gav: absolutely adore and love horror.

Gav: And Eli's almost like a torch bearer in

Gav: certain aspects of horror, like doing his

Gav: own Eli's horror uncut show all over on AMC.

Gav: You know more.

Dan: Yeah, it's great show Eli Roth's history of

Dan: horror, yeah, stuff like that.

Gav: So he really, like torch bearer, is such a

Gav: real ambassador of horror and like all of a

Gav: sudden he starts off with cabin fever and I

Gav: was sort of premier in UK at the right

Gav: first and just like what the fuck is this?

Gav: This is great.

Gav: And he had a little video introduction and

Gav: straight away I was like this dude Love him.

Gav: I've never seen him before.

Gav: Then hostel and that's obviously torture

Gav: porn.

Gav: I almost opening up that into a very wide

Gav: market Doing that.

Dan: Yeah, that was the first real proper.

Gav: Yeah, and it's a great film, you can watch

Gav: it in my collection.

Gav: I'll watch it now and be like, yeah, good

Gav: film, and then obviously doing a couple of

Gav: bits of pop here and there, but then all of

Gav: a sudden like doing a cannibal movie which

Gav: is just like left field, because no one's

Gav: doing a cannibal movie the green inferno.

Dan: The green inferno for anyone who wants to

Dan: watch that.

Gav: And no one's asking for a cannibal movie,

Gav: but he did it and you're like, fair play

Gav: man, it's alright, it's okay if you into

Gav: cannibal movies, but it's like, yeah, fair

Gav: play man to you.

Gav: So I was kind of getting around to it in a

Gav: very long winded way.

Gav: I was kind of excited for this Because he's

Gav: looking to slash us and I know he's a

Gav: massive slasher fan of like pieces and

Gav: movies like this, so I kind of did enjoy it.

Gav: I didn't bother seeing anything or reading

Gav: anything, apart from the original

Gav: Grindhouse 2007 Grindhouse trailer and if

Gav: you don't know what that is, that is when

Gav: Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez both made

Gav: two films and put them together as a

Gav: package and it flopped, unfortunately, as a

Gav: double package.

Gav: I've got a blue rail of it as a whole

Gav: massive thing with all the fake traders,

Gav: and there's these fake traders by different

Gav: people, and Edgar Rye, rob Zombie and Ilo

Gav: Roth did one called Thanksgiving and that

Gav: trailer had a lady coming down doing the

Gav: splits on the trampoline and the knife

Gav: going into her.

Dan: Into her.

Gav: Yep Beans are being in there a minute.

Gav: I've got my dog with me today.

Dan: Yeah, don't whistle.

Dan: Sorry, I won't whistle again.

Gav: Yeah, it'll be like what?

Gav: No, bro, it's too hot, it's too hot, it's

Gav: tired, I'll be sleeping and that is.

Gav: But there was a girl on trampoline but they

Gav: did the knife, but they didn't do that at

Gav: all and they shied away and it's like

Gav: that's a shame.

Gav: But, there was some real good gory depths.

Gav: I wanted more gore.

Gav: I don't know what it says about me.

Gav: I wanted more because he was doing like a

Gav: love letter to 80s movies and there's zero

Gav: tension, not one bit of tension, which was

Gav: kind of a shame, but it's kind of like,

Gav: well, what was he making?

Gav: Like he did the Cannibal movie.

Gav: He was making one of those Cannibal movies.

Gav: This movie was him making like an 80s

Gav: slasher movie, coming from this ridiculous

Gav: kind of grindhouse trailer.

Gav: So I can't expect a masterpiece of cinema

Gav: which is going to history of 10 greatest

Gav: movies of all time, but like it felt like

Gav: almost a shame that he couldn't have done a

Gav: bit more tension to it and actually pushed

Gav: that a little bit further.

Gav: Do you know what I mean?

Gav: He was?

Dan: there.

Gav: I think he was on the wall when he could

Gav: have just gone a little bit further and be

Gav: like whoa this is a good movie when you've

Gav: got it, it's fine.

Dan: When you've got directors making things

Dan: like Bone, tomahawk, dried to Cross,

Dan: concrete, that director I can't remember

Dan: his name now off the top of my head People

Dan: can push it and those films do do.

Dan: Well, they might not make a huge commercial

Dan: amount of money, but they're great films

Dan: and you can make very violent and I'm not

Dan: saying we're a kind of classic, yeah,

Dan: exactly.

Dan: But you can make a really gory X, an old

Dan: school X rated film if you want.

Dan: And my prediction when we discuss this in

Dan: the last episode, when this film was about

Dan: to come out my prediction was from reading

Dan: the early reviews is that you and I and

Dan: other horror fans would probably like this,

Dan: but it probably won't be gory enough for us.

Gav: But it'll be a nice little 90 minutes where

Gav: you can just watch it and whereas I think

Gav: people who aren't seasoned horror fans will

Gav: probably think it is quite gory, oh yeah of

Gav: course there's a couple of old people there,

Gav: which is amazing, but one of the old guys

Gav: actually got up halfway through, went over

Gav: to a woman who must have been using her

Gav: phone, and then she's having words of her,

Gav: and then she's like oh no, no, no, no, no

Gav: no, then another woman, her, his wife, must

Gav: have been went over and they're quite old.

Gav: And Ben was clapping.

Dan: Nice.

Gav: Because Ben, who I was with, obviously you

Gav: know Ben from who filmed Sanctuary Me,

Gav: which I hope everybody's watching now

Gav: Stoller, Sanctuary Me and Deb Bolt YouTube.

Gav: Go and check it out.

Dan: Just over 9000 views as we speak.

Dan: Keep watching it.

Dan: Remember people.

Gav: He was the one who was in the cinema at the

Gav: time and ended up having a fight with

Gav: someone because their phone was on.

Gav: I think I said it on here before.

Gav: Possibly he was in the cinema once

Gav: Someone's looking at her phone.

Gav: It pissed him off so much he went over and

Gav: he took their phone and put it in their

Gav: drink.

Dan: Oh my god.

Gav: So he started having a punch up with the

Gav: guy and he dragged him out of the cinema

Gav: screen and then came back and sat down and

Gav: watched the rest of the movie.

Dan: I mean, I've had words with people, I've

Dan: had arguments with people.

Dan: I couldn't do that.

Gav: I've had a fuck with you.

Dan: I remember watching Jason X with my friend

Dan: Rob.

Dan: You know, rob, and there were some kids in

Dan: there that were talking all the way through

Dan: it and, although it's just a Jason movie, I

Dan: went over to them and I said, right, are

Dan: you all going to give me my money back?

Dan: And they looked at me and I said are you

Dan: all going to give me my money back?

Dan: And they said what do you mean?

Dan: I said, well, we've all paid to watch this

Dan: film, but all I'm hearing is you guys

Dan: talking.

Dan: So no, you should prepare to give me my

Dan: money back.

Dan: Shut the fuck up and let us, the rest of us

Dan: in here Enjoy it.

Dan: And I got a bit of a clap from three or

Dan: four people in there and Rob hated it.

Dan: He turned into a turtle.

Dan: He put his head down into his shirt.

Dan: He's like why did you do that?

Dan: I said because I'm sorry.

Dan: I was trying to enjoy this film and I got

Dan: these dickheads chatting away and another

Dan: guy I remember another film I was in a guy

Dan: was using his phone and listening to music

Dan: and then he lit a cigarette.

Dan: And that was the point.

Dan: I stood up and I went.

Dan: I think I knocked the cigarette before he

Dan: lit it out of his hand and I said are you

Dan: seriously about to light a cigarette?

Dan: I don't care if you smoke, I'm not opposed

Dan: to smoking, but we're in a cinema.

Dan: I've had to listen to your music playing

Dan: off your phone.

Dan: What are you thinking?

Dan: And I was like no, no, he was like a young

Dan: lad.

Dan: He thought he was a bit of a gangster

Dan: outside him and his mates came over and

Dan: tried to have a word with me and I just

Dan: said I can't remember what he said.

Dan: Now I was younger.

Dan: I just said shut up or something you know,

Dan: get out of my face.

Gav: They're noisy now guys.

Dan: These days they would sadly.

Dan: Or if it was in America.

Dan: You know that guy in the Batman film.

Gav: Nice to get and film it yeah.

Dan: Put it on TikTok.

Gav: Anyway.

Gav: So Thanksgiving, yeah, I wish it had been

Gav: more tension.

Gav: I feel like it outlived it's welcome a

Gav: little bit, but at the same time I was

Gav: happy to go to the cinema as a horror fan

Gav: who loves slasher movies to watch

Gav: Thanksgiving.

Gav: But it's not like April Fool's Day or

Gav: Halloween or Friday 15th.

Gav: It was a themed movie and I'm kind of

Gav: hoping there isn't a part two, because

Gav: there's no fucking need to be one.

Gav: It should just be a one and done, and that

Gav: is it.

Gav: If it, I don't know if it done well, fair

Gav: play.

Dan: I hope not.

Dan: He doesn't really Fair play done in cinema.

Gav: But he has got some help with his name.

Dan: He doesn't tend to do many sequels I mean

Dan: Hostel 2 and Hostel 3, but he was only

Dan: really a producer on those and then Cabin

Dan: Fever got two sequels and then, weirdly,

Dan: they remade Cabin Fever Like only five

Dan: years after it came out, which I don't

Dan: think I've seen the remake.

Gav: I think a remade, actually Eli's exact

Gav: script.

Trailer Voice: It's very strange.

Gav: But after there was a remake or something I

Gav: can't remember.

Dan: So I'm a fan of Eli Roth, as you know, for

Dan: the most part.

Gav: That's Toy West, you realize yes that's

Gav: right.

Gav: And he's tried to have his name taken off

Gav: it.

Dan: And he can't do it Hilarious.

Dan: Well, I link in that director to another

Dan: director that I'm a bit of a fan of and a

Dan: lot of people think he's a bit up his own

Dan: arse, but I don't mind.

Dan: Is Kevin Smith and I watched finally.

Dan: Only came out last year, but I finally got

Dan: around to watching Clerks 3.

Dan: I don't know if you've seen Clerks 3.

Gav: No.

Dan: Okay, really.

Gav: I don't actually.

Gav: Is it a new thing?

Dan: Yeah, 22, 2022.

Dan: Oh, no, no, no, yeah.

Dan: So I only just watched it last week and I

Dan: was really, really into it.

Dan: And yes, it is a very self-referential, as

Dan: all of Kevin Smith movies are, but I know

Dan: that and that's why I kind of like them.

Dan: And this film is about Dante having a heart

Dan: attack, just like Kevin Smith did.

Dan: This is why he wrote it, because it's all

Dan: about having a heart attack and reviewing

Dan: your life and sort of thinking, shit, what

Dan: am I doing?

Dan: And then Dante and I can't remember his

Dan: friend's name now, the other one, the

Dan: goatee they end up they're going to make a

Dan: movie about what it's like to be working in

Dan: the Clerks shop, you know, and it's kind of

Dan: very self-referential, but it's good and it

Dan: had me crying at the end with some stuff

Dan: that happens and it's definitely the end of

Dan: those Clerks movies.

Dan: And I love Kevin Smith.

Dan: People often slay him, but I think when he

Dan: first came out he was like so cutting edge

Dan: and his writing is incredible and maybe he

Dan: lost his way a little bit somewhere in the

Dan: middle, but I'll always go for him.

Dan: So, a bit like Eli Roth, I will always

Dan: check out anything Eli and Kevin Smith do.

Dan: I do like those guys.

Dan: So, yeah, I just wanted to mention Clerks 3

Dan: I thought that was a really good movie the

Dan: only other movie I've watched really it's

Dan: worth mentioning.

Dan: Don't know if you've heard of this.

Dan: It came out in 1982.

Dan: It's a bit of an old one, but I sat down

Dan: and watched the film by a director, but

Dan: what's his name?

Dan: John Carpenter.

Dan: Yeah, the Thing.

Dan: Have you seen the Thing, gav?

Gav: Not seen it.

Gav: What's it about?

Dan: Not heard of that one.

Dan: Yeah, I was a bit boring, to be honest.

Gav: No, I'm what's it about?

Dan: It's about an alien.

Dan: Now, I'm, of course, joking.

Dan: It's a 10 out of 10 film and I've

Dan: re-watched it because it's been about a

Dan: year probably since I've watched it.

Dan: And all I'll say is because we've all

Dan: reviewed it and everybody knows what the

Dan: Thing is.

Dan: But that film, honestly, honestly, it gets

Dan: better, and the more I watch it, the more I

Dan: realise just how perfect that film is

Dan: really.

Dan: Okay, yes, it has flaws, only because it's

Dan: aging and some of the effects don't hold up

Dan: quite as well.

Dan: But at the same time, no one was doing

Dan: anything like that in 1982.

Dan: And the story, the characters, the acting,

Dan: it's just.

Dan: I just get sucked into that word within two

Dan: minutes of the credits rolling.

Dan: And man, it's just, the weather's turned

Dan: and it's one of those films you put on when

Dan: it's a bit snowy or a bit cold.

Dan: I just wanted to mention it because you

Dan: know we love it.

Dan: Yeah, that's what I mean.

Dan: We love it.

Gav: Yeah, cool.

Gav: I've actually put up my Christmas tree

Gav: already and the weather has turned.

Gav: It's really cold.

Gav: I'm in my dressing gown Quite often.

Gav: I'm here at the top list Not that the

Gav: listeners can see these things In the

Gav: summertime, but I thought I'm going to go.

Gav: Well, I class this.

Gav: You have to, because we've got Pink Light

Gav: on the cardigan.

Gav: Sorry, dressing gown.

Dan: You look just like him.

Gav: Yeah, I did, do I.

Dan: No.

Gav: He's dead, isn't he?

Gav: Yes?

Dan: That's the only couple of movies I wanted

Dan: to talk about Other than Thanksgiving.

Dan: Is there anything else you've watched or

Dan: you wanted to talk about?

Gav: Not really, and we recorded, oh my God,

Gav: only last week.

Gav: So, yeah, there's you know.

Gav: Yeah, I'm happy to get the fuck into it.

Dan: Well, let's get into New York.

Dan: So before we have our first trailer and

Dan: we're going to talk about Basket Case first

Dan: of all just wanted to talk around New York,

Dan: specifically New York in the early 80s, and

Dan: then I've got a few recommendations for New

Dan: York set horror films and early 80s

Dan: creature features for anybody who wants to

Dan: get a taste of Basket, case and Shard, and

Dan: if you like those movies and you want some

Dan: recommendations and you probably would have

Dan: seen a lot of these anyway.

Dan: But but first of all let's talk about New

Dan: New York.

Dan: Can you do your New York accent please?

Dan: Go New York.

Dan: Can you say can you give me that coffee

Dan: please?

Gav: Give me that coffee.

Gav: Wow, hey, give me that coffee.

Gav: It doesn't even sound like New York.

Gav: Sounds like I was trying to get more urban

Gav: or something.

Gav: I'm walking here hey.

Dan: They're all just walking.

Trailer Voice: Yeah, you guys, I always go a bit, I always

Trailer Voice: go a bit.

Dan: Italian, Italian Mafioso, with my New York

Dan: accent really, or I go quite Jewish.

Dan: It's one of the two.

Dan: It's hard to do.

Gav: I can't see.

Gav: This is the thing.

Gav: I can't just be like performing monkey with

Gav: me impressions.

Gav: I need to like watch something, and then

Gav: what I do?

Gav: I'm like a parrot I watch and I'll just

Gav: start working it, and working it, and

Gav: working it, and then I'll get exact sort of

Gav: tone and the reflection and stuff.

Gav: I can't, but I can't throw it in like I'm a

Gav: dancing fucking monkey.

Dan: Oh well, you'll always be a dancing monkey

Dan: to me.

Dan: Well, let's talk about New York first of

Dan: all, just very briefly.

Dan: So in late seventies, as covered in Gav's

Dan: other podcast, you had quite a lot going on

Dan: in New York.

Dan: In the late seventies you had the summer of

Dan: Sam, or the son of Sam.

Dan: You had all the blackouts, you had rat

Dan: infestations, trash strikes, riots, murder.

Dan: You had the guardian angels, vigilantes.

Dan: So New York is literally it's like you

Dan: couldn't write it really and some of the

Dan: movies that came out, like Warriors and

Dan: stuff like that, they are all sort of.

Dan: There is a little bit of truth to some of

Dan: these movies in some ways, but obviously,

Dan: if you want to do, check that episode out.

Gav: It's episode 66 of the hottest, strangest

Gav: podcast.

Gav: Even if you know all this to any of the

Gav: other ones, check that episode out.

Gav: We sort of really went in and talked about

Gav: the whole trash thing stuff.

Gav: We're going in looking at the seventies

Gav: with son of Sam and killer and stuff where

Gav: the movies today and the crack and the coke

Gav: and a lot of the things did still carry on

Gav: flowing through a lot of trash problems and

Gav: stuff like that.

Gav: So obviously just one of those things into

Gav: the eighties, but that episode's on the

Gav: seventies, if you want to check that out.

Gav: Of all New York and the weird stuff going

Gav: on and the killings and the shit like that

Gav: and the guardian angels and, like you say,

Gav: all that stuff did sort of spill over into

Gav: the eighties.

Gav: Well, what you're going to end up having is

Gav: just I'm not saying it, possibly and

Gav: possibly not the CIA bringing crack and

Gav: coke into New York and just dropping it

Gav: into the areas where they'd already been,

Gav: like no, we don't want to go there.

Gav: You police it yourselves with all the

Gav: gangsters and all that shit, and just it

Gav: just then went.

Gav: But then you also had the Wall Street boom

Gav: as well, and then the cocaine involved with

Gav: that.

Gav: Just watched Wall Street with Charlie Sheen.

Gav: So it's a weird time.

Gav: Seventies and eighties in New York Very

Gav: strange time.

Gav: And then.

Gav: So we had movies like this.

Gav: What we've got coming out?

Dan: Yeah.

Dan: And so to paint a picture of New York

Dan: itself before we look into horror films and

Dan: stuff, new York in the very early eight to

Dan: mid eighties it was just so there's a lot

Dan: of originality and creativity come out of

Dan: it.

Dan: Hip hop although hip hop was born in the

Dan: late seventies really came out proper.

Dan: You had run DMC Beastie Boys, you had Big

Dan: Daddy Kane, you had Rackim and Eric B, you

Dan: had.

Dan: Hip hop was really becoming this

Dan: underground creative platform.

Dan: The fashion, you know the slang, the way

Dan: people spoke, rap, the DJ, all that stuff

Dan: you had and sadly, some linked into that.

Dan: You also had a bit of a crack epidemic that

Dan: was still spilling over.

Dan: Aids was reported for the first time in the

Dan: very in like in 1980, 81.

Dan: And that was a big thing because everyone

Dan: was quite free with their sex until AIDS

Dan: came on Almost on a reckless sort of time

Dan: as well.

Dan: Yeah.

Gav: When the knowledge about starting around of

Gav: AIDS is still being slightly reckless at

Gav: time.

Dan: Well, I think the word I would use, gav, is

Dan: excess.

Dan: There was a lot of excess and there was

Dan: another.

Dan: You can look at yuppies, because the yuppie

Dan: culture came out of the early eighties

Dan: Cocaine, having money, driving around in

Dan: sports cars so there was a real divide

Dan: between the poor and the rich.

Dan: There was a lot of urban legends, which we

Dan: may or may not get into for word, of the

Dan: strange as well, because New York is a big,

Dan: very vast city with a lot of people living

Dan: there of all types of life, all backgrounds,

Dan: religions, colors, creeds, sexes, and you

Dan: can be a very rich man, like Donald Trump

Dan: was, you know, living in New York, or you

Dan: can be an underground rapper who's got no

Dan: money, but everyone in your hood respects

Dan: you because you're well known and then

Dan: there's or be someone who actually lives

Dan: underground, and there was.

Gav: Doc Day, a really good documentary, a music

Gav: by DJ Shadow about the people who lived

Gav: underneath the New York yeah, actually

Gav: underground, which is cheaper, and they

Gav: felt safer and they made a little city

Gav: under New York, which is crazy.

Dan: And that's what I find so fascinating about

Dan: New York is literally from underground all

Dan: the way to the very high skyscraper.

Dan: There's so much activity and it really is a

Dan: city that doesn't sleep.

Dan: Like I said, I've been there twice.

Dan: I went there exactly one month after 9-11

Dan: happened.

Dan: Sadly, we wouldn't have gone really had we

Dan: been able to cancel all our holiday, but we

Dan: wouldn't have lost a lot of money had we

Dan: done that.

Gav: So we still went.

Gav: I had two different groups of friends that

Gav: were at New York and I live in from Farnham,

Gav: oh right and they were in their windows

Gav: watching it.

Dan: Yeah, I spoke to a guy.

Dan: It's crazy.

Dan: I may or may not have bought some weed from

Dan: a guy in Washington Park, which is very

Dan: near where the trade centers were, and I

Dan: asked him what happened on the day and he

Dan: said he was smoking a big joint and he saw

Dan: the first plane hit and sat down, finished

Dan: the joint, and then the other plane hit and

Dan: he put the joint.

Dan: He said he'd almost finished the joint.

Dan: The second plane hit, he put the joint down

Dan: and he thought and he didn't smoke for

Dan: about a week after that.

Dan: He couldn't quite get his head around what

Dan: he'd just seen and it was a very eerie time

Dan: to go there.

Dan: It was still smoking.

Dan: Actually four weeks after there was still

Dan: smoke coming off of the ground zero.

Dan: It was crazy.

Dan: So I went there then.

Dan: But then I also took Alice there, about 11

Dan: years ago now, one of our first holidays

Dan: together.

Dan: I came into a very small amount of money,

Dan: nothing to write home about, and I was able

Dan: to treat Alice to a really lovely holiday

Dan: in New York for a week and we went there

Dan: then and we experienced what I would say

Dan: real New York very lots going on 24, seven,

Dan: those fires and those fire, engines

Dan: whizzing past, people chatting, industry,

Dan: everyone's got energy and excited and it's

Dan: also a little bit dangerous.

Dan: But also, you know, it's just all going on

Dan: there and it's a great city to visit.

Dan: Just be.

Dan: I would say, be careful that obviously with

Dan: any big city there are areas you probably

Dan: wouldn't want to go into and you would want

Dan: to stick to the mainly the touristy bits.

Dan: But it is a great, great city and it was

Dan: fantastic to be there and see things like

Dan: Statue of Liberty and all these monuments

Dan: and areas that you've seen so many films,

Dan: you know going to Central Park.

Dan: How many movies have been set there?

Dan: You know Highlander, ghostbusters, so many.

Dan: But it's a great city and obviously another

Dan: reason I loved it was, like you said, gav,

Dan: new York hip hop was kind of born there

Dan: really, so it was great to sort of see all

Dan: that and the murals.

Gav: It's a very good skateboard scene as well.

Dan: Yeah, it's.

Dan: I mean, there's honestly a scene, whatever

Dan: you're into there's a scene for it there as

Dan: well.

Gav: Yeah, on six.

Gav: It's all there, yeah.

Dan: All right, cool.

Dan: So that's New York.

Dan: So let's talk about some horror movies that

Dan: are set in New York, just briefly, and

Dan: we've covered some of these already.

Dan: Some of these we haven't, but there's some

Dan: quite famous ones, like King Kong and all

Dan: of its remakes, you know, obviously, ending

Dan: on the Empire State Building, you don't get

Dan: much more famous shot than that, really, of

Dan: King Kong himself, even movies like Rory's

Dan: and Rory's Baby.

Dan: You've got Sisters Driller Killer, which

Dan: Gav mentioned, cruising, which you watched

Dan: recently with Sarah I did, and that was an

Dan: experience.

Dan: Yeah, the Ghostbusters 1 and 2.

Gav: You know, I think you always said Sarah

Gav: says why did I pick this for my birthday

Gav: episode?

Gav: Why?

Dan: Why American Psycho is obviously set there

Dan: and that is that yuppie culture.

Dan: We were talking about Wolfen, you know that

Dan: kind of comes into the.

Gav: I like Wolfen.

Dan: Yeah, and that falls into the category of

Dan: like basket case chard of a really gritty.

Gav: We covered it, didn't we?

Dan: Did we cover it?

Dan: I don't think we did.

Gav: No, we didn't.

Gav: We should do, though.

Gav: Yeah, I wouldn't mind covering that.

Dan: Yeah, Even the first Howling movie, the

Dan: majority of that is set in New York as well.

Dan: There are so many movies that are set there.

Dan: The Sentinel Jason takes Manhattan,

Dan: although it's only the last five minutes of

Dan: that, Ray shows up in Manhattan.

Dan: I'm pretty sure it was filmed in like

Dan: Canada or somewhere.

Dan: I think it was in Vancouver, I think you're

Dan: right.

Dan: Cloverfield Godzilla, you know, the one

Dan: that we like, the 90s Godzilla.

Dan: So there's a ton of.

Dan: Is there ever been a Godzilla?

Dan: No, but there should be, right, A fish

Dan: movie.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, there should be.

Dan: So there is a lot of horror movies set in

Dan: New York.

Dan: There's a lot of movies, obviously, but

Dan: horror movies specifically.

Dan: But let's move slightly adjacent to that

Dan: and talk about this era or era of horror.

Dan: So the very early 80s where, like I said to

Dan: you, the effects guys were the rock stars

Dan: Now, I've already talked about the thing

Dan: you know from 1982, but it was.

Dan: There was just this thing happening in

Dan: horror in the very early 80s.

Gav: The thing Rob Bould, rob Bould, heane as

Gav: effects is a little bit higher than these.

Dan: No yes, of course Okay, but I'm just

Dan: talking about creature feature effects,

Dan: horror movies like the Blob, yep, the

Dan: remake of the Blob.

Gav: The Blob is amazing.

Gav: The remake of the Blob.

Dan: Gremlins came out around this time as well,

Dan: you know, and that was really pushing.

Dan: You know the effects, boundaries, you know

Dan: the stuff which we've covered as well, even

Dan: critters In the early to mid-80s.

Dan: A lot of the more successful, whether on

Dan: VHS or whether at the cinema.

Dan: A lot of the more successful horror movies

Dan: were creature films, like the Fly, anything

Dan: with special effects on it, predator,

Dan: pumpkin Head.

Dan: There's a ton of them really and it's a I

Dan: would highly recommend and probably say

Dan: that anything from 1980 to 85, the effects

Dan: are going to be practical and they're going

Dan: to be some pushing boundaries.

Dan: They're competing with each other, so

Dan: they're going to probably show you

Dan: something you've not seen before.

Dan: Or try and do something Doesn't always work,

Dan: but try and do something you've never quite

Dan: seen before.

Dan: My last thing I'm going to say before we go

Dan: into our trailer is and although Wolfen and

Dan: Parts of the Howling was set in New York

Dan: because New York is like this urban jungle,

Dan: this concrete jungle you've never had a

Dan: proper werewolf movie set there.

Dan: How good would a werewolf movie be in New

Dan: York?

Dan: You know Central Park, running around all

Dan: the buildings at night.

Gav: Yeah, because Wolfen kind of allures to

Gav: that in a way.

Gav: Yeah, totally.

Dan: What about an English werewolf in New York?

Dan: What about if someone was to remake that?

Dan: It will not remake it, but like do a late

Dan: sequel.

Gav: Uh, I don't know.

Dan: What about Sting's?

Dan: I'm an alien in New York If.

Gav: Sting could be a werewolf.

Dan: Yes, in New York, that'd be a bit shit

Dan: there, I'm a werewolf.

Dan: He's a bit shit there.

Dan: You know I'm a werewolf.

Dan: Sadly one of the only sadly one of the only

Dan: vampire films really that happens in New

Dan: York is one that I know that you're not a

Dan: fan of, and that's Eddie Murphy's Vampire

Dan: in Brooklyn.

Gav: I'm not gonna say like I'm not a fan, like

Gav: explicitly, like walking down the street

Gav: with a fucking board saying I'm not a fan

Gav: of Vampire in Brooklyn, like I don't know.

Gav: I'm not gonna jump out saying that I'm a

Gav: fan either.

Gav: I don't remember it, but I don't remember

Gav: it being good.

Gav: I only watched it once.

Gav: It's not that great.

Gav: It's one of those times back in the day

Gav: when, before boys and girls, before the

Gav: internet and all that shit, when you have a

Gav: girlfriend, what should we do?

Gav: Should we go get a movie?

Gav: Should we get a sp it's something to do.

Gav: Wanted to the video shop, spend some time,

Gav: bring it back, put it on.

Gav: I hope it's not a shit.

Gav: Vampire in Brooklyn, just don't remember.

Gav: It's not that good.

Dan: But there we go, guys.

Dan: So that is a taste of what New York is all

Dan: about at this time, and I want to say that

Dan: I'm and also the sort of horror movies that

Dan: we're out and about.

Dan: So Large apples, the big old, the big old

Dan: apple, the city, so nice, they named it

Dan: twice.

Dan: So, yeah, bear all of that in mind when we

Dan: talk about Basket Case and Chud, Because

Dan: they both sort of allude to especially Chud,

Dan: some urban legends and stuff.

Dan: So but before we go to Chud, we're gonna

Dan: talk about Basket Case and not the song by

Dan: Green Day, which is a great song, by the

Dan: way.

Dan: You know the song there.

Dan: You go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah of course, do

Dan: you have the time to listen to me?

Gav: Great song.

Gav: Yeah, we're going to do that, because then

Gav: we'll start singing.

Dan: So no like on the last episode where we

Dan: can't be saying thanks to Rachel for that.

Dan: We ended up singing Postman Pan is Black

Dan: and White Cat the five times Yep.

Dan: Thank you for your feedback, rachel.

Dan: I'm glad you enjoyed that episode, by the

Dan: way.

Dan: Yes, all right.

Dan: Well, that's New York.

Dan: That's horror movies in the early 80s.

Dan: Should we take a little break and have a

Dan: trailer for the older?

Gav: Basket Case.

Gav: Okay, yeah, here's the trailer.

Trailer Voice: What is the secret Dwayne is hiding in the

Trailer Voice: basket.

Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?

Trailer Voice: Easter eggs?

Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?

Trailer Voice: Clothes.

Gav: What's in the basket?

Trailer Voice: What's in the basket I've found it.

Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?

Trailer Voice: Open it, if you dare.

Trailer Voice: Basket Case.

Dan: Okay, so our first film of the episode is

Dan: Basket Case from 1982.

Dan: It's only an hour and 30 minutes, wasn't

Dan: rated at the time it came out.

Dan: Here's the synopsis A young man carrying a

Dan: big basket that contains his extremely

Dan: deformed, formerly conjoined twin brother

Dan: seeks vengeance on the doctors who

Dan: separated them against their will.

Dan: Directed by Frank Hennan-Lotter, who I

Dan: think also did Frank and Hooker and a

Dan: couple of other movies with a similar style,

Dan: that's another 80s New York movie.

Dan: So with this one, with this movie, this was

Dan: one of those ones, like I mentioned earlier,

Dan: where I walk into the video store and I'd

Dan: see Basket Case and you'd see the eyes

Dan: peeking out of the basket on the front and

Dan: you think what is this about?

Dan: And you read the back, you know, and that's

Dan: an opposite.

Dan: I've just read out.

Dan: You want to see it as a kid.

Dan: You want to see this deformed creature

Dan: living in a basket.

Dan: You know you didn't want to see it.

Dan: Don't show him.

Gav: I'm going to the video shop and like, in a

Gav: way, you did have a lot of horror titles

Gav: when the boom of VHS came out.

Gav: At the same time you didn't have a huge

Gav: range, if that makes sense as well.

Gav: And I don't know the mutant type subgenre

Gav: I've never been a fan of.

Gav: Really I don't want to see like groves.

Dan: Yeah.

Trailer Voice: I mean you're not fully in.

Trailer Voice: Yeah, you're not.

Dan: I know I'm body horror.

Dan: Yeah, I was going to say, and I think the

Dan: same with Chud, really Chud's front cover,

Dan: American Werewolf.

Dan: In London, you know there's a lot of horror

Dan: movie covers that stood out when you're

Dan: looking around the shelves.

Dan: I used to read the back of this box all the

Dan: time and I didn't probably see it until

Dan: probably when I was in my 15 or 16.

Gav: I did watch this a few times when I was

Gav: younger, did you?

Dan: Well, what I would say is it's a very, very,

Dan: very, very low budget film.

Dan: They do very well with what they've got.

Dan: There are some.

Gav: There's one scene.

Gav: Later on we get to and I'll say about now.

Gav: He goes to visit a vet with his basket and

Gav: he turns up and he's like hello, I'm here

Gav: with my cat and she's like, okay, come in.

Gav: Okay, he goes into the river and then she's

Gav: like he's like, actually, it's not my cat,

Gav: life brought here for you to see.

Gav: Oh, what is it?

Gav: At that point I expected him to get his

Gav: cock out and it to be porn.

Gav: It was like this has to be porn.

Gav: The act was so wooden.

Gav: It was like this is almost out of boogie

Gav: nice.

Gav: It was like what the fuck?

Gav: It was funny.

Gav: It was funny as fuck in a very sweet way.

Dan: Well, they were working with barely a

Dan: budget.

Dan: Apparently, the amount of money he's got he

Dan: carrying around with him in his hotel room

Dan: in the scenes, that was the actual budget

Dan: for the film.

Gav: Amazing, probably about you know, less than

Gav: $10,000.

Gav: So they had to film those shots first then,

Gav: otherwise they wouldn't have had the money

Gav: later on.

Dan: And then go out and spend the money on

Dan: everything.

Dan: It's so funny and it does feel like this

Dan: could.

Dan: This is like a more sinister version of a

Dan: trauma film.

Dan: Do you know what I mean?

Dan: There's and it does deal with some not

Dan: tough subject matter, because it's quite

Dan: unbelievable at times.

Dan: But also we have heard of stories of

Dan: conjoined twins and people who've got their

Dan: twin inside them, and we've recently had

Dan: that movie, malignant with conjoined twins

Dan: and stuff.

Dan: So that's kind of something that fastened,

Dan: always fascinated me anyway.

Gav: Really, it's a fairly unusual subject.

Gav: You have, of course, have twins now they're

Gav: not conjoined.

Dan: They're not conjoined, they're not part of

Dan: me.

Gav: Sometimes you're probably like I wish you

Gav: both were conjoined, because then you

Gav: wouldn't be like I wouldn't be able to look

Gav: over there.

Gav: Then what if you run over there?

Gav: You'd be in the same spot the whole time.

Dan: Yeah, but one of them runs in one direction

Dan: and the other does the other.

Dan: That's fine.

Dan: Some of this film can be quite harrowing,

Dan: especially with the stuff when he's younger

Dan: and he's having the operation and there's a

Dan: lot of screaming and stuff Like my wife

Dan: kept popping her head back in the room.

Dan: It's been screaming for ages.

Gav: I watched it earlier and I've got the dog

Gav: with me like I said earlier, old beansie

Gav: and at one point a lady started screaming

Gav: and I had to turn it down about five

Gav: decibels and the order controller because

Gav: the dog was not liking it and I was like

Gav: fuck me, that is loud and long.

Dan: But it's a great idea.

Dan: And the idea came about because the writer

Dan: thought of the phrase basket case and

Dan: thought well, what would that be like as a

Dan: horror film if someone had a basket with

Dan: something in it?

Dan: And then he came up with a whole conjoined

Dan: twin thing.

Gav: Yeah, I assumed it came out.

Gav: I was thinking about it as we watched it,

Gav: like oh, they came up with it first because

Gav: basket case was like a saying as such.

Dan: Yeah, Now I do think that this film has a

Dan: great plot and you're probably not going to

Dan: think that, but the acting obviously

Dan: doesn't always stand up very well.

Dan: But I do think it's a great story in that

Dan: it's a revenge film about a guy and we're

Dan: going to spoil this obviously off the bat,

Dan: but we'll get into the story properly in a

Dan: minute.

Dan: But it's a revenge film about a guy who

Dan: used to have a conjoined twin.

Dan: He was forced to have that twin removed

Dan: from him.

Dan: The twin didn't die.

Dan: He keeps it a basket and they go around

Dan: hunting down the doctors that did this to

Dan: them.

Gav: It's quite dark, it sounds like a

Gav: Cronenberg movie.

Gav: Maybe Cronenberg should like remake it.

Gav: If Cronenberg and I'm not watching that and

Gav: Sarah be all over it.

Dan: And what's the?

Dan: Is it Lloyd Kaufman from Troma?

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: If him and Cronenberg sat together, got

Dan: drunk in the early 80s, this would be what

Dan: they came up with.

Gav: Oh my God, what sort of a love child for

Gav: film would that be?

Dan: There'd be a lot of New York cocaine in it

Dan: as well, which I should imagine there was

Dan: in this behind the scenes on this.

Dan: That's probably where a lot of that budget

Dan: went.

Dan: In fact, some of those notes were rolled up,

Dan: so that wouldn't be surprised me, no, okay,

Dan: well, let's, let's get into it.

Dan: So we start off with Dwayne, our hero, if

Dan: you will, played by Kevin van Hettenreich.

Dan: He has got Brian Mayhair.

Dan: His hair is pretty big, isn't it?

Dan: Garth Huge.

Gav: Goddamn this movie, like at times I was

Gav: just like trying to just watch the film and

Gav: it just doesn't matter what was on the

Gav: screen, any dialogue, it could be the

Gav: fucking, the most magical words you only

Gav: hear and you could die like then and be

Gav: happy with eternal happiness.

Gav: These certain words, and I wouldn't be able

Gav: to hear them because looking at his fucking

Gav: hair, yeah, it's fucking massive.

Dan: It is a big hair, it's fucking huge.

Gav: It's so big and at times the camera's like

Gav: down, looking upwards, like why are you

Gav: choosing this angle?

Gav: Like what are we doing here?

Dan: Yeah, it's pretty big, is it?

Gav: like a bird with plumage, like I'm going to

Gav: attract you with this.

Gav: It's not a good afro.

Gav: It's not like a good good afro.

Gav: It's a bad afro.

Dan: It's not a good solo.

Dan: Well, it's a white man.

Dan: It's a Brian May.

Dan: Yeah, it's a Brian May, brian May's afro

Dan: it's Brian May's hair.

Dan: Well, we start off with Dwayne, and he's

Dan: Dwayne as well.

Dan: So we don't start with him.

Dan: We actually start off with a little bit of

Dan: a bit with the guy in the bushes outside

Dan: his house.

Gav: Is he called Dwayne then?

Dan: Dwayne Bradley yeah.

Gav: He's not doing well in life, is he?

Gav: He's got a horrible star Right.

Gav: Let's call him Dwayne.

Dan: He's got a nice auntie, though it will talk

Dan: about when we get to her.

Dan: Okay, so we start off with a guy who is a

Dan: doctor and he's leaving his house.

Dan: He can hear something in the bushes

Dan: creeping about.

Dan: There's some really good camera work here.

Gav: I kind of didn't mind this.

Gav: It's kind of made me think of like a real

Gav: late night as a kid turn over to tell him

Gav: it's a whole movie on.

Gav: You don't want this, you just turn it on to

Gav: it.

Gav: It's things like that.

Dan: Yeah, and this doctor is chased back into

Dan: his house by these noises.

Dan: He hears something climbing around on the

Dan: roof, he hears breathing and he tries to

Dan: call the cops, but his phone's been cut.

Dan: And then we just see this horrible, gnarly

Dan: mutant hand pop up from the bottom of the

Dan: screen, grabbing.

Gav: And he says no, no, no.

Dan: And then it closes his face off pretty much,

Dan: and that's the start.

Dan: And then we head over to New York City and

Dan: this is where we meet Dwayne.

Dan: So Dwayne, not only does he have giant hair,

Dan: he's trying to be inconspicuous, he also

Dan: has a giant fucking basket that he carries

Dan: everywhere.

Dan: He goes with him everywhere.

Dan: You know, if you're looking for this guy,

Dan: the cops are like I think it was a, what

Dan: did the guy look like?

Dan: Giant hair, giant basket.

Dan: Right, We'll find him in minutes.

Dan: Easy, easy to spot.

Gav: Brian May just taking a towel out of his

Gav: hands and put a basket into it.

Dan: Just think of Brian May doing his laundry.

Gav: Get your sketch artist to do Brian May

Gav: holding a basket.

Gav: Basket of laundry.

Gav: He's just like holding it like a tar pose,

Gav: but a basket.

Dan: Well, he's walking through the streets of

Dan: New York and you know, some guys, hey,

Dan: buddy, what do you want?

Dan: Upperers, downers, coke, weed, I got it all

Dan: and he's trying to sell it.

Dan: And you know, we see prostitutes or sex

Dan: workers, we see drug dealers, we see pimps,

Dan: we see every type of life.

Dan: As he's walking through New York and he

Dan: comes across a hotel.

Gav: Classic guy at the desk, classic kind of

Gav: greasy guy.

Dan: He looks like if Bob Hoskins let himself go.

Gav: Oh, that's not good is it.

Gav: You know he's like a chubby white vest with

Gav: braces over the top of it, because Bob

Gav: Hoskins wasn't sort of George Cleaning it

Gav: up on it every day, was he?

Dan: Rest in peace.

Dan: But yeah, I know what you mean.

Dan: But this guy is just like he's running the

Dan: hotel.

Dan: When Dwayne asks for a room, he's like well,

Dan: how long do you want it for?

Dan: Do you want it for an hour?

Dan: Do you want it for a day?

Dan: Do you want it for a year?

Dan: Basically, this hotel really is mainly for

Dan: people to come and pay sex workers for an

Dan: hour or two of their time.

Gav: I lived at a hotel for two weeks.

Dan: You did when you fucked your backup.

Gav: I don't think I know about this other trip.

Trailer Voice: Yeah, carry on.

Dan: Okay.

Dan: So, yes, he goes to the hotel, he gets a

Dan: room and the guy's like I need money up

Dan: front.

Dan: He's like, okay, yeah, sure, here's the

Dan: money.

Dan: Seems to have a lot of money and all the

Dan: drunks that hang around on the reception

Dan: desk are like that guy's loaded.

Gav: The dudes.

Gav: I've a bit weird, which I think they're

Gav: probably thinking he's a bit how.

Gav: They might look at him as simple.

Gav: They might look at him a bit less

Gav: intelligent.

Gav: The fact is just wondering around his

Gav: basket from the start, but yeah, just

Gav: pulling out a lot of money.

Gav: You just you don't do it, you don't do it

Gav: now.

Dan: And they say to him what's in the basket

Dan: and he's like, oh, just some of my personal

Dan: possessions.

Dan: Okay, so he goes up to his room.

Gav: I'd be like serial killer, definitely a

Gav: head in that.

Dan: Great, perhaps his head is in that.

Dan: As he heads up to the room he walks past a

Dan: sex worker or prostitute or a hooker.

Dan: If you want to be in the New York eighties,

Dan: called Casey and she takes a shine to him.

Dan: She does.

Dan: She is ushering a punter into a room as she

Dan: does it, but she also looks at him and sort

Dan: of says, hey honey, welcome to the hotel At

Dan: the same time.

Gav: She's just been naïve and she's probably

Gav: just like trying to just live her life.

Gav: She just happens to like bang for her job.

Dan: That's like you know, yeah, so he gets in,

Dan: gets into his room and he puts the basket

Dan: down on the chest of drawers and he

Dan: whispers to it.

Dan: We're here.

Dan: And you think, oh, hang on a minute, he's

Dan: talking to the basket.

Dan: What's going on?

Gav: Yeah.

Gav: So I went into this again.

Gav: I've seen it before, but I went into this

Gav: again without kind of knowing anything and

Gav: it was only like later on I was like, oh,

Gav: it's a revenge film later on when there's a

Gav: doctor killing going on, so for me.

Gav: So I was trying to imagine it as if you

Gav: just went to the cinema back in the day

Gav: like you would when this came out, this

Gav: would've been straight for the New York

Gav: cinema.

Dan: That people in there Imagine seeing that in

Dan: the New York cinema in 92.

Gav: Grimy and and.

Gav: But yeah, with the audience, you don't know

Gav: what is in the basket.

Gav: You're yet to find out as much as I am.

Gav: So I was like Okay, I'm going to play it

Gav: like that.

Gav: He might know what it is, but I was playing

Gav: that, so that's what I'm going to do so.

Dan: he goes out by some junk food, some burgers

Dan: and some fries, and comes back and locks

Dan: the basket and starts throwing food in and

Dan: you hear like a disgusting eating noises.

Gav: He's chatting away to it as well.

Gav: I'm throwing in cheeseburgers.

Dan: Yeah, he says um, we need to find this

Dan: doctor in the phone book.

Dan: So let me just could be, could be anything.

Dan: And he says, oh damn it, the person we're

Dan: looking for in this phone book isn't in the

Dan: book.

Dan: We'll have to go to one of their ex

Dan: colleagues and see if they've got the

Dan: address.

Dan: So he's setting something up.

Dan: We know that him and whatever's in this

Dan: basket are looking for a doctor at this

Dan: point.

Gav: How's the thing?

Gav: In a basket, whatever he's feeling, cause

Gav: I'm pretending I don't know.

Gav: How does it shit?

Dan: Well, I should imagine it's got a?

Dan: Well, it's got a penis.

Dan: Because it's someone, well it fucks that

Dan: girl, doesn't?

Gav: it.

Gav: I don't remember this and that was a bit

Gav: shocking earlier.

Dan: And also in case two is or is it three?

Dan: Three he finds out that his brother has got

Dan: a kid, so it's made a baby in the basket.

Dan: Case three oh dude.

Dan: So if it's got a willy, it's got a bum gap,

Dan: which means it can do a poo.

Dan: Does he have to wipe his brother's bum, or

Dan: does?

Gav: it, do it himself.

Dan: It spends a lot of time sat in the toilet

Dan: as well, bilal, doesn't he?

Gav: This is a greasy strangler.

Dan: By the way, the creature is brother, is

Dan: called Bilal, so we will at times refer to

Dan: him by his real name.

Dan: So so in the middle of the night he wakes

Dan: up and it's very good, cheap way of doing

Dan: this because they don't have to provide a

Dan: voice for the creature, for the most part

Dan: because it can talk to him telepathically.

Dan: And he wakes up in the middle of the night,

Dan: Dwayne, and he's like no, look, I'm trying

Dan: to sleep.

Dan: Please just let me sleep, Not now, We'll

Dan: deal with it all in the morning.

Dan: And he's just talking to himself, but he's

Dan: actually linked telepathically to his

Dan: brother.

Dan: So, um, yeah, that'll come into play a bit

Dan: later on.

Dan: So the drunk guy from downstairs is curious

Dan: about what's in Dwayne's room and he starts

Dan: like loitering outside and the prostitute

Dan: Casey, who he said is taking a shine to him.

Dan: She says stop leaving me alone.

Dan: He's just a young lad with a basket, Don't

Dan: worry about it, Let him get on with his own

Dan: business.

Dan: We've all got our own weird business in

Dan: this hotel.

Dan: So Dwayne says I'm going to go and visit my

Dan: doctor friend now, and I'll take my basket

Dan: with me.

Dan: And this is Dr Needleman, he reminds.

Dan: I was going to say he reminds me a bit of

Dan: Peter Jackson's doctor in um brain dead and

Dan: not Peter Jackson but that you know the

Dan: doctor in brain dead that injects.

Dan: You know he's got a Nazi symbol on his arm

Dan: and that's very gross.

Dan: What are you going to say?

Gav: The receptionist takes uh takes a fancy to

Gav: him.

Dan: Oh God, she's attracted to his hair.

Dan: Have you seen his massive?

Gav: hair, she, she has red flags all over it.

Gav: Later on, when she fucking stalks him, she

Gav: says with the minutes of him being there.

Dan: She says, if you, so you're new to New York

Dan: and he's like, yeah, he could be there for

Dan: an STD.

Dan: She says have you been to the World Trade

Dan: Tower?

Dan: No, what?

Gav: I guess she should know what he's got.

Dan: Have you been to the Statue of Liberty?

Dan: No, what?

Dan: And she's really cross that he's not been

Dan: to any of these places.

Dan: And then she says well, maybe I could be

Dan: your New York city tour guide.

Gav: She's well into it.

Dan: And he's sort of like should she be

Dan: checking, trying to chat up like patients.

Dan: I think.

Dan: I think she's pretty desperate, um, but uh,

Dan: he says tell the doctor I need to have my

Dan: chest examined.

Dan: So she says, all right, I'll do that.

Dan: And we cut to Dwayne leaving.

Dan: So we don't see what happens in that doctor

Dan: surgery.

Dan: But Dwayne leaves and she this is where she

Dan: says to him what I'm trying to say here is

Dan: do you want to go on a date with me?

Dan: And he's like no, no, I can't, I can't.

Dan: And then he goes and puts the basket down

Dan: at the other end of the room and he comes

Dan: back over to her and whispers yes, I

Dan: actually would like to go on a date with

Dan: you.

Dan: And this is so below.

Dan: His brother doesn't hear.

Gav: She's like why are we whispering so he

Gav: doesn't hear who the doctor?

Dan: I know it's funny.

Dan: Um, so he's now been in New York for 12

Dan: hours, he's already got a date and he's

Dan: already lined up his first sort of kill.

Dan: And what does he do to celebrate?

Dan: He goes to watch a kung fu movie in a

Dan: theater.

Dan: Yeah, so we cut to a really badly dubbed

Dan: kung fu film and he's watching it with with

Dan: his basket next to him by the way when he's

Dan: in a doctors.

Gav: We did see him about a shirt on.

Gav: He had a massive scar on his side.

Dan: That's right.

Dan: And the doctor says well, we come back to

Dan: the doctor in a minute.

Dan: So while he's in the cinema, what looks

Dan: like a bit of a sex prover is watching him

Dan: and you think is he going to come over and

Dan: try molesting or something?

Gav: He's just waiting for any opportunity.

Dan: He's not as soon as he falls asleep because

Dan: Duane's very tired this guy steals the

Dan: basket.

Gav: Yeah Well he wakes up next to him and the

Gav: basket is gone.

Dan: And he runs.

Gav: He runs off to the men's toilet with it and

Gav: kicks open drops it on the floor, kicks the

Gav: padlock that breaking off of it opens it up.

Gav: But we've seen from the camera looking

Gav: outwards and we still don't see what it is.

Dan: No, but we do see the look of horror on

Dan: this thief's face and we hear lots and lots

Dan: of screaming and his face gets completely

Dan: slashed.

Dan: Duane runs in and he says no, no, not yet.

Dan: Save it.

Dan: Save it from when you really need to do it.

Dan: Yeah, and there's blood everywhere and he

Dan: just runs off with the basket.

Dan: And then we cut to Dr Cutter.

Dan: What a name, dr Cutter.

Dan: That's her name, dr Judith Cutter.

Dan: She's having dinner with a guy in her

Dan: apartment.

Dan: She is offering it to him on a plate here.

Gav: Prepare for name as Dr.

Dan: Dr Dr Cutter.

Gav: Dr Dr.

Dan: Okay, what, dr.

Dan: Dr?

Dan: I think I there's a joke here.

Dan: You're going to tell me a joke.

Gav: No, really.

Dan: Okay, right.

Dan: So yes, dr Cutter is having dinner with

Dan: this man and he says, oh, I'm going to get

Dan: drunk if I keep drinking.

Dan: She's like, well, that's my plan.

Dan: And she gets a phone call and the phone

Dan: call is from Dr Needleman and he says a man

Dan: has just been into my office, a man that

Dan: matches the description of that boy that we

Dan: removed something from.

Dan: We did that operation on him and he had a

Dan: big scar all down him and he wants to know

Dan: you know about what the other doctors that

Dan: were involved.

Dan: And he told me that Dr Liv Lander is dead

Dan: and this is the guy from the opening scene.

Dan: And she says Well, we thought he might come

Dan: back around at some point.

Dan: She doesn't seem bothered by the fact that

Dan: this kid is now hunting her down.

Dan: She goes back to her dinner date and

Dan: probably ends up bonking that man that's in

Dan: her apartment.

Dan: She's got one trap mind Yep Sexy, sexy sexy.

Dan: One trap, mind.

Dan: Dr Cutter cut back to shower in the

Dan: receptionist.

Dan: She leaves the doctors and Dwayne empties

Dan: the basket and he says Right is, the coast

Dan: is clear.

Dan: Whatever is in there, empties out onto the

Dan: floor and he says to his brother Go in

Dan: there and get the address book as quick as

Dan: you can.

Dan: I'll be waiting in the alleyway downstairs.

Dan: So he's waiting outside and Bilal is in the

Dan: office and the doctor, Dr Neal, and here's

Dan: a noise.

Dan: And he goes out and the door is off its

Dan: hinges and he thinks Okay, something bad's

Dan: going to happen here.

Dan: I need to barricade myself in my office

Dan: with all my desks.

Dan: Yep, Lights are all out.

Dan: Here's a noise.

Dan: Goes into another room, turns the light on

Dan: and what does he see?

Dan: Gav.

Gav: So for the first time he sees our bro ski

Gav: Bilal.

Gav: Now it looks like Harvey Wine Steen's

Gav: hemorrhoid.

Dan: Fucking hell.

Dan: That is terrifying.

Dan: I've got to say and I remember seeing this

Dan: for the first time that it was quite a

Dan: terrifying first shot of him, because he's,

Dan: he doesn't really talk, he just sort of

Dan: screams.

Gav: I know it's quite disturbing.

Gav: Actually I found it when I was when he was

Gav: on screen.

Gav: It was on the screen.

Gav: It's quite disturbing.

Dan: It's like a testicle with arms and a face.

Dan: I don't like it, but somehow he's on the

Dan: wall.

Dan: I guess he's really strong and he's on the

Dan: wall and he kills this guy.

Gav: It was suckers Like an octopus.

Dan: Well, he does call him.

Dan: Later on he says my brother looks like a

Dan: deformed octopus.

Gav: Blood's kind of like the hammer horror

Gav: blood.

Dan: Yeah, he rips his guts out of his stomach,

Dan: doesn't he?

Gav: Yeah, and he can, and he's you know, he's

Gav: dying it also kind of looks like that dude

Gav: who thinks he's the head shit at Jabba

Gav: Hutt's Palace at the front Got a big, big.

Dan: Thing coming out of his head.

Gav: It looks like he's love child or something.

Dan: Yeah, a big fortuna.

Dan: The one who's got the big squid things

Dan: coming out of his head.

Dan: Yeah, I mean he is.

Dan: He's pretty hot shit, Gav.

Dan: He's Jabba's like right at her man, he's

Dan: his translator, you know, he sort of brings

Dan: people in.

Gav: I think he thinks.

Gav: I think he thinks he's bigger than he is.

Dan: I know what you mean.

Dan: I know what you mean.

Gav: But Luke takes him down a page, doesn't he?

Dan: So fuck it, fuck big fortuna.

Dan: So, yes, so Dwayne's waiting outside in the

Dan: alleyway and we hear what?

Dan: We see the shadow of Bilal, and Bilal's

Dan: come out the window and he's got the

Dan: address book.

Dan: He pops him back in the basket and he says

Dan: excellent, this is great, Everything's

Dan: going to plan.

Dan: We cut to the morning and Dwayne's feeding

Dan: some rural sausages into the basket now.

Gav: Is that like a new saying?

Dan: I'm going to feed my rural sausage into the

Dan: basket.

Gav: Feed my sausages into the basket.

Dan: But?

Dan: But talking of such things, dwayne also,

Dan: although he's on a mission with his brother

Dan: to kill these doctors, he's also on a

Dan: mission to get his end away.

Gav: Feed my sausage into your basket.

Dan: Because he is so excited about this date,

Dan: he's got Said to Bishop With the lady the

Dan: receptionist, so he's bought a fucking TV,

Dan: a cheap knockoff TV, and he says to Bilal,

Dan: I love it, I've got to go out and case the

Dan: place.

Gav: Yeah, it's cable TV for you.

Gav: Here's some.

Dan: TV, oh, and there's some newspapers there

Dan: as well.

Dan: If you get bored, see you later.

Dan: And he just runs off.

Gav: He's just happy to fly on the wall.

Gav: There's fucking things in there looking at

Gav: a paper wall TV.

Gav: He's on the back door.

Dan: What's going on on Wall Street today?

Dan: Bloody hell, the stocks are up, aren't they?

Gav: What the fuck, what's?

Gav: He care what's going on.

Dan: Well, he does rip the knob off the TV

Dan: because he knows, because he can

Dan: telepathically link.

Dan: No, he's got a comical.

Gav: I think he just goes oh fucking out of shit.

Gav: That's the kind of way this hand is.

Gav: His hand acts in the way of like this is

Gav: shit, not like aggression.

Dan: Yeah Well, he goes out on the date and he's

Dan: really you know, that's where he really is,

Dan: he's not casing Dr Cutter's apartment and

Dan: he's out on the date and he really, really

Dan: likes his girl and she really likes him too.

Gav: I struggled the fuck with this part of the

Gav: movie.

Gav: I was just like, oh my God, because the

Gav: camera doesn't move, it just sits there and

Gav: they talk.

Dan: I would say this is one of the one of the

Dan: worst on screen on screen kisses I've ever

Dan: seen.

Gav: The whole thing is killing me.

Gav: Now, please kill me.

Dan: When they kiss it's like they're trying to

Dan: eat each other's faces and I guess they're

Dan: both quite nerdy and they may maybe not

Dan: have kissed many people, but my God, it's

Dan: really bad.

Dan: And when he kisses this girl, obviously he

Dan: gets a bit excited, but because he's

Dan: telepathically linked to his brother, bilal,

Dan: who's still in the hotel room.

Gav: This would make a great X-Files episode.

Dan: Well, there was one like this there was a

Dan: bit yeah.

Dan: Yeah, they go to that freak show and

Dan: there's a guy whose little thing comes off

Dan: of his body in the night.

Gav: It goes off to the people.

Gav: And oh yeah.

Gav: Yeah, that's true, and I was like a

Gav: telepathic one as well, so yeah, and

Gav: there's also Total Recall, yeah, so this is

Gav: good.

Gav: I can X-Files episode.

Gav: It would make quite a good one.

Gav: Yeah, I love the fact the basket case is

Gav: just about.

Gav: Basically, he is now acting like a teenager

Gav: in 2023, when the internet has gone down

Gav: from all in 10 minutes.

Dan: A teenager made of stop motion animation.

Gav: Yeah, angry, no Getting rowdy.

Dan: I commend them for trying.

Dan: Stop motion animation sadly never really

Dan: holds up that well, and it does look weird

Dan: when it jumps out of the basket and starts.

Dan: I feel like I'm watching an episode of

Dan: Morph.

Gav: I don't know.

Gav: But yeah, but Morph in, like I've just

Gav: taken bad acid.

Gav: Yeah Well it made me almost feel not sick,

Gav: but it's just, I don't know body horror and

Gav: I know it's not even real and it's fucking

Gav: clay, most stop motion.

Gav: But it's saying about it.

Gav: Maybe just be like, I don't like this.

Dan: Well, Bill Outs screams so loud and he

Dan: smashes the room so much to TV and

Dan: everything that every single person in the

Dan: hotel this isn't.

Gav: Every person is complex.

Dan: And this isn't the first time this will

Dan: happen, but this happens about four times

Dan: in the film.

Dan: Every member of the hotel gatherers.

Gav: They have got nothing else going on.

Gav: They literally like so got nothing going on.

Gav: Like you, just stop whatever they're doing

Gav: at any moment and just go wander around and

Gav: stand outside someone's room and wonder

Gav: what's happening.

Dan: Come on, so old sweaty Bob Hoskins look

Dan: alike.

Dan: He says right, what the fuck's going on?

Dan: I've got the key.

Dan: Obviously, this is my hotel.

Dan: Let me go in the room.

Dan: They go in the room and there's no sign of

Dan: anybody in there.

Dan: Mystery when is it?

Dan: Well, there's no one in here.

Dan: They're all sort of like well, we all heard

Dan: screaming and noise.

Dan: And he says right, everybody back out the

Dan: room, come on, it's time to go.

Gav: One dude knows he's a load of money in the

Gav: bed.

Dan: Oh the drunk can go.

Dan: He's like, oh, there's some money in there.

Dan: So he goes back and he picks the lock with

Dan: the intention of stealing this big wad of

Dan: cash.

Gav: Yeah, now there's a point here where he

Gav: goes over to.

Gav: He gets the money, then he goes over to the

Gav: basket.

Gav: He's looking for more stuff.

Gav: He opens the basket and they'll bro ski,

Gav: mutant, mutant, testicle of Harvey

Gav: Weinstein.

Gav: Bro ski is there in the basket, but they

Gav: could have done it and he wasn't there It'd

Gav: be a lot more tension open up and it wasn't

Gav: there.

Gav: Turns around and then jumps at him.

Gav: You know it's fairly easy.

Gav: It'd have been a bit better, but you know

Gav: he hopes it up and he gets it in the face.

Gav: It's in the face.

Dan: It's quite a good effect.

Dan: Looks like he's been slashed four times

Dan: down the face by claws.

Gav: Those bits are pretty good.

Gav: That happens a couple of times in the film.

Dan: And Dwayne feels that he's killed someone

Dan: from where he is because again they're

Dan: linked.

Dan: So the others come back in the room because

Dan: they've heard more screaming.

Dan: So again the entire hotel empties into the

Dan: room.

Gav: So at this point here it is.

Gav: I kind of give a bit of a cue to this,

Gav: actually, because at the moment it wasn't

Gav: really.

Gav: I suppose it was kind of a structure.

Gav: If I broke it down, I really looked at it.

Gav: But here there really was a kind of

Gav: midpoint term, but the basket case goes out

Gav: the window and at this point I was like,

Gav: does he now go out on the streets of in the

Gav: city, start causing chaos?

Gav: That's what I was hoping.

Gav: It doesn't really happen.

Gav: He kind of he's at home.

Gav: Again.

Gav: I'm a bit confused.

Gav: You need to help me with what's going on.

Dan: In a parallel universe.

Dan: I'd love that to have happened.

Gav: That's what I wanted to happen, and that's

Gav: the most important term.

Gav: And he then goes out into the New.

Dan: York.

Dan: Imagine him mugging a skateboarder and then

Dan: he's wheeling around on a skateboard.

Dan: He's in arms.

Gav: He could have hanged out of quang from the

Gav: towels.

Dan: He is a bit like quang from the towels,

Dan: isn't he?

Dan: Yeah, oh God, imagine those two being

Dan: buddies together.

Gav: Well, he just screams the old towels.

Gav: Nothing could happen there, nothing could

Gav: get done with it.

Dan: Yeah, Well, Dwayne gets back and the police

Dan: are there and they're like where have you

Dan: been?

Dan: And he's like, oh, I've been on a date.

Gav: The detective here is the best actor in

Gav: this whole film.

Dan: He's amazing, isn't he?

Gav: He's great, he's done time he isn't that

Gav: great, but he stands out because no one

Gav: else is at that level he just comes across

Gav: as a genuine cop.

Gav: Yeah, he's just acting, he's just doing the

Gav: thing without it really stalled.

Gav: I'm saying lines.

Dan: You know.

Dan: He says to him okay, so you were on a date

Dan: and you didn't hear anything.

Dan: You don't know anything about this.

Dan: Okay, Interesting.

Dan: And why have you got so much cash in your

Dan: hotel room?

Dan: Okay, Interesting, All right.

Dan: Well, look, I'm going to probably come back

Dan: to you for further questioning, Would that

Dan: be all right?

Dan: And Dwayne's like yeah, that's absolutely

Dan: fine, he plays it very cool, Dwayne.

Dan: It might not be the first time he's had to

Dan: cover the tracks of his crazy little

Dan: brother.

Dan: So they leave and Dwayne looks around

Dan: thinking well, where the hell is my brother?

Dan: Well, he's in the toilet.

Dan: Gal, Of course he's in the toilet.

Gav: Oh, the little hand pops up in the back.

Gav: Hello, yeah, yeah.

Dan: Now what are you doing there?

Gav: Imagine that, though, in the middle of the

Gav: night, he goes to the toilet.

Gav: Oh, he's sitting down.

Dan: Oh, sorry, I've got you in there below.

Dan: Whoa what was that?

Gav: Well, I'm just caressing your balls.

Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, I don't want

Gav: mutant hand crest ball caress.

Dan: Well, they have a telepathic argument.

Dan: That's one of my songs from the album

Dan: Mutant ball caress.

Gav: Mutant ball hand.

Gav: Mutant hand ball caress.

Dan: Wow, by rat or G?

Dan: Yeah, so they have a telepathic argument

Dan: about the dates and you know.

Dan: Basically, we get the impression that Bilal

Dan: won't allow him to live his own life.

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Gav: Well, we figured that because that was a

Gav: very great at best representation of that,

Gav: as many went and put the basket down and

Gav: came back to receptionist and whispered the

Gav: ongoing date Straight away.

Gav: It's like, oh, he's hiding it from him

Gav: because of yeah, something like that.

Gav: Well, there's almost a similar relationship

Gav: to Norman Bates and his mother and I use

Gav: mother in quotation marks, and he's not

Gav: allowed to ever, you know have a normal

Gav: life before he loves, because he's got this

Gav: commitment to this family member, I think

Gav: that story motif probably happens best in

Gav: the way you just described it, between the

Gav: mother and the child.

Gav: Yeah, the parent and the child.

Dan: Not the deformed octopus brother.

Gav: No, no, not a dude, it is fucking a

Gav: hemorrhoid mutant brother.

Dan: So he says to at the end look, don't worry,

Dan: I'll never do it, yeah, I promise.

Dan: And they sort of their buddies again, ish.

Dan: And then we cut to a nightclub scene.

Dan: A dirty, seedy looking nightclub bar, isn't

Dan: it, gal, everyone's doing everything.

Gav: I imagine they just walked into the nearest

Gav: bar.

Gav: Can we film here?

Gav: Yeah, no worries.

Dan: Oh, Gal, they did.

Dan: All of this was.

Dan: 90% of this film is shot gorilla style.

Gav: Yeah, even the naked teens.

Gav: I know all of the decor was original decor.

Dan: Yeah, the naked scene which comes up later,

Dan: where he runs on the street naked.

Dan: To do that, they basically got him in a van

Dan: with loads of blankets over him and they

Dan: had another van parked at the end of the

Dan: block and someone would go out with a brush,

Dan: brush the sidewalk down all the way to the

Dan: other end, make sure there was no glass or

Dan: anything for him to stand on.

Dan: This was like three in the morning, and

Dan: then they'd go action and he'd run from one

Dan: van into the other van and they did that

Dan: about four times and then edited it

Dan: together.

Dan: So if you'd have seen it, you'd have seen

Dan: this giant Brian May head man running with

Dan: his dick flapping around.

Gav: He's fine enough.

Gav: His bush looks like Brian May's hair again.

Dan: Yeah, he's got it up and down, isn't he?

Dan: Yeah, the collar is much the cuffs.

Dan: I just noticed it.

Dan: Yeah, collars and cuffs.

Dan: Where were we?

Dan: Oh yeah, so we're in the Seedy Nightclub.

Dan: And while he's in there, who does he see?

Dan: He's Casey the sex worker.

Dan: And she says hey, you're the guy with a

Dan: basket from the hotel.

Dan: Listen, I'm getting absolutely fucked off

Dan: my nut over here.

Dan: Do you want to come in?

Dan: Can you come and join me?

Gav: I've never seen people laugh so much drunk

Gav: loudly in each other's faces because the

Gav: acting over the acting is just okay.

Gav: You got drunk.

Gav: Laugh lots, okay.

Gav: No, laugh more.

Gav: You're drunk, okay, okay.

Dan: I kind of like this scene though.

Dan: Oh, what the fuck.

Dan: Why did you?

Gav: like it.

Dan: What I like about this scene is he

Dan: drunkenly reveals the whole plot to her,

Dan: because they're so drunk.

Gav: I do like that.

Gav: I'll give you that.

Gav: It's silly.

Dan: Say again yeah, she thinks he's just been

Dan: silly.

Dan: Yeah.

Dan: Well whoa whoa.

Dan: I think it's happened At first, until she

Dan: goes.

Gav: You're creeping me out now.

Dan: Yeah, because she says to him um, look, one

Dan: thing I want to know about you is what's in

Dan: the basket?

Dan: And he says my brother.

Dan: And she laughs and laughs and she says what

Dan: is he?

Gav: Yeah, but it keeps going.

Gav: She's like, and after a while she stops

Gav: laughing.

Gav: And then she says you're creeping me out

Gav: eventually.

Dan: What is he?

Dan: A midget?

Dan: And he says, no, we're twins.

Dan: And she's like what?

Dan: And he's like, yeah, he's deformed.

Dan: Our mother died giving birth to us.

Dan: Ha ha ha, we were attached to the hip, ha

Dan: ha ha.

Dan: Now he talks to me in my head and she's

Dan: like that's when she says, well, you're

Dan: creeping me out a little bit, because she

Dan: can tell maybe he's been a bit serious here.

Dan: And then we get flashbacks.

Dan: We enter quite a major flashback now.

Gav: It's a flashback.

Gav: It turns into another fucking movie.

Gav: It's like scenes.

Gav: It's not just a flashback with us like one

Gav: shot, it's scenes.

Gav: I was like, oh OK, all right.

Dan: So we cut to the day that Duane was born

Dan: and obviously his mother died giving birth

Dan: to him and his one mother.

Dan: This gets a little bit more serious about

Dan: what you're looking at.

Gav: earlier you sort of said about, Is this

Gav: part here Because it does come down to an

Gav: actual question.

Gav: It comes down to the question of abortion.

Gav: Basically, yeah, it's really dark, isn't it?

Dan: That's what, essentially, she's sort of

Dan: saying.

Gav: And then going no, you cut it off Because

Gav: at least that gives him a chance to live

Gav: more of the human person.

Gav: So just what about the other thing?

Gav: I'll get rid of it, sort of you know.

Gav: Well, they're saying you know what he says

Gav: it.

Dan: I'm not calling it anything, it's not my

Dan: son.

Dan: Only one of these things is my son.

Dan: The other one is just a thing, just a

Dan: growth, so they don't do anything about it

Dan: for 12 years and it says 12 years later.

Dan: Excuse me, and their auntie is looking

Dan: after them.

Gav: You can go look at this from a parent

Gav: perspective though, if they've done 12

Gav: years, they've been trying, and it must be

Gav: to a point where we need to give him a

Gav: chance, because you would essentially want

Gav: to do that.

Gav: But his dad is caved.

Dan: His dad lost his wife, you know, for the

Dan: birth of this son and thing attached to it.

Dan: So he gets to Backstreet Back Alley doctors

Dan: around to his house who we find out later

Dan: on.

Dan: One of them is a vet later on.

Dan: It's bit gnarly, though.

Dan: It's just how I hold him down.

Dan: It's kind of like going into your sort of

Dan: 70s kind of like you know.

Gav: Like you know, sort of like going into your

Gav: sort of 70s, kind of like a Satan

Gav: worshipping top sort of film or something

Gav: it's real like.

Dan: Like fucking hell.

Dan: They take the doctor up to the room and the

Dan: little boy turns around.

Dan: He's 12 years old and he's got a little

Dan: baby, bilal, hanging off of his side and

Dan: it's disturbing to see.

Dan: Man, yeah, it's disturbing to see and it's

Dan: the subject matter as well.

Dan: Really, they overhear everything that's

Dan: been talked about downstairs, so he kind of

Dan: understands.

Dan: I think they're going to try and separate

Dan: us.

Dan: You know, this is, this is kid.

Dan: I hasn't had it easy for 12 years with this

Dan: thing growing out of his side, you know.

Gav: The head starts making sounds like of a

Gav: same sort of sounds of the head in

Gav: Reanimator.

Gav: Yeah, it's like oh, this is all right, so

Gav: they they.

Dan: I'm going to go.

Dan: I don't like this film.

Dan: They hold down this 12-year-old boy, the

Dan: doctors and they.

Dan: He's screaming, he's screaming and so is

Dan: the head thing, and they managed to knock

Dan: them out with an injection.

Dan: Come at it.

Gav: Come Alice, come watch the movie with me.

Gav: It's a good part.

Dan: And then they get the cutting equipment out

Dan: and then we hear all this noises of bone

Dan: cutting and sawing and flash being torn.

Gav: I go I'm going to put my hands up here.

Gav: I pressed forwards through this bit, did

Gav: you Only at 0.5, but it would have muted

Gav: this music sound and it just went through a

Gav: little bit quicker because I was just not

Gav: going.

Gav: Ah, not having a good time here.

Dan: Well, with this scene it tricks you because

Dan: you think, oh, they're not going to show it,

Dan: though, they're only we're only hearing it.

Dan: But then you do see them take Bilal off of

Dan: Dwayne with a horrible squelchy sound and

Dan: they say, well, what should we do with him?

Dan: And he's like, I don't care what you do

Dan: with it, as long as my son's okay.

Dan: What do they do with it, garth?

Dan: They put him in a trash bag.

Gav: I thought they would have injected the

Gav: thing, the child, the mutant child or

Gav: something, to put it out as misery or

Gav: something, or done something, not just put

Gav: it in the trash and go.

Gav: Let's hope for the best.

Dan: I would have.

Dan: Yeah, but they've just think, well, it's

Dan: probably dead, they're going to be like

Dan: fuck is this?

Gav: Oh, it's a big groove.

Dan: Oh, it's moving.

Dan: Well, yeah, dwayne wakes up the morning

Dan: after the operation and he thinks, well,

Dan: where's my brother's?

Dan: Not on my side, this is weird.

Dan: So he then, he senses him in his brain.

Dan: So he goes out and this is where he finds

Dan: the trash bag and it's moving and the arm

Dan: comes out of it.

Dan: So he's still alive.

Gav: That sounded like a kind of like a Wu-Tan

Gav: senses thing, wu-tan Spider-Man altogether.

Dan: And then I don't know why he does this, but

Dan: he creates a machine now with his brother.

Dan: They create this big fuck because in the

Dan: middle of the night his dad wakes up and he

Dan: hears all this sewing and drilling and he

Dan: thinks what on earth is this?

Dan: So he goes downstairs.

Gav: Some actual tension going on here, I'm

Gav: going to say when his dad starts, he's

Gav: fucking dick.

Gav: If a dad wanders around with no fucking

Gav: shoes or slippers on, or go down to the

Gav: basement, where this shit which could fuck

Gav: my feet up and just wander around, he

Gav: stands on a nail, doesn't he?

Gav: Yeah, because he's a fucking idiot.

Dan: But anyway there's a slight bit of tension

Dan: down here.

Dan: That basement is bigger than my house times

Dan: two.

Gav: Oh, jesus Christ, you should see this, I

Gav: was my flat.

Gav: You've seen this, I was my flat.

Dan: It's like doors within doors within rooms.

Dan: It's like a mansion down there.

Dan: But anyway, he wanders around and

Dan: eventually he sees lots of wood and

Dan: equipment and thinks someone's been

Dan: building something down here.

Dan: And indeed they have.

Dan: Dwayne and Bilal have put together a device

Dan: which has got a big buzz saw in the middle,

Dan: loads of spikes and other cutting

Dan: implements, and they've set it up like a

Dan: game of mousetrap where it just flies down

Dan: a big ramp straight as that and splits him

Dan: right down the middle.

Gav: Yeah, and we know this because it has to

Gav: shot loads of floor of legs and feet

Gav: Falling apart from each other.

Dan: Yeah, Just like in 13 Ghosts, and we the

Dan: auntie.

Dan: Then we cut to the auntie saying look,

Dan: dwayne, I look after you both.

Dan: Don't worry, I'll cover it all up.

Dan: But don't worry, I'll tell them.

Dan: You know, I didn't know anything about it.

Dan: You're on your right and we get these

Dan: really disturbing slash touching scenes now.

Gav: Sitting here.

Gav: I tell you a story about Red Riding Hood.

Dan: Yeah, she's rocking on a rocking chair with

Dan: Bilal in a blanket.

Gav: It's obviously just a thing which is not

Gav: moving yet and it's just got these dead

Gav: eyes just staring forward.

Gav: It's just like ugh.

Dan: The face of Bilal is just terrifying.

Dan: And then, obviously, dwayne's sat next to

Dan: him.

Dan: She's raising these boys, trying to look

Dan: after them, but then sadly, she dies

Dan: because we cut to her funeral and they're

Dan: all alone and then we go back to the

Dan: present day.

Dan: So that was the backstory of what happened

Dan: to him.

Dan: No wonder he is so fucked up.

Dan: Jesus Christ, you think it was, wasn't it?

Gav: I've got all about that.

Gav: Thought we'd talk about another movie.

Gav: Yeah, flat was the flashback.

Gav: It's a 20 minute flashback.

Gav: Now remember what was going on before.

Dan: Well, we're drunk in the bar with a sex

Dan: worker, yeah.

Dan: So she helps him get back to his hotel room.

Dan: She helps him into bed.

Dan: She peeks inside the basket, but the

Dan: basket's empty.

Dan: She goes back to her room, which is that

Dan: tension I was speaking about earlier, I

Dan: guess.

Dan: She gets undressed.

Dan: She gets fully undressed.

Dan: She's wearing literally just a T-shirt, and

Dan: then she slides her pants off as well.

Dan: She gets into bed and, as she lies, back in

Dan: the bed, Hashtag me too.

Gav: Basket case, oh, we've got his.

Gav: Definitely Harvey Weinstein's hemorrhoid,

Gav: isn't it?

Dan: Yeah, he's hiding under a pillow.

Gav: Starts touching her boobs.

Dan: No, no, no, that's a perceptionist.

Dan: He does that to you later on this is oh

Dan: yeah, he does it later too.

Dan: But he does like touching up women when

Dan: they're asleep.

Gav: He's a panty stealer in this, though, isn't

Gav: he?

Dan: Is he?

Dan: Yeah, he's a pant.

Dan: Oh, I forgot about that.

Dan: Okay, interesting.

Dan: So yeah, in her bed the pillows move and

Dan: he's under the pillow.

Dan: She wakes up and screams.

Dan: She runs out of the room and she's again.

Dan: What happens?

Dan: The entire hotel runs up to the floor they

Dan: must be getting sick of this by now and she

Dan: says something's in my room and it's trying

Dan: to kill me.

Dan: It was a thing in my room, so every single

Dan: person in the hotel.

Gav: And at this point you think he's going to

Gav: get, it's going to get caught.

Dan: Yep.

Dan: Bob Hoskins is there again.

Dan: He's like.

Dan: Jesus Christ, Where's Roger Rabbit?

Dan: He's annoyed.

Dan: Obviously he checks the room, the windows

Dan: open.

Dan: We see the hand go back into the basket and

Dan: Dwayne wakes up with a big hangover.

Gav: Before that we do see basket case, find the

Gav: knickers.

Dan: Oh, yes, that's right.

Dan: So he's going to have a little basket wank

Dan: with those.

Gav: He's sniffing them.

Gav: I'll tell you that.

Dan: Maybe he's eating them.

Dan: Who knows what he eats.

Dan: So in the morning Dwayne wakes up with the

Dan: worst hangover ever and he says right then,

Dan: let's get this over with, let's go and see

Dan: Dr Cutter.

Gav: This is the fake porn scene or actual real

Gav: porn scene.

Gav: The acting here please anybody go watch it

Gav: and be like is this it's not, it's so like

Gav: it.

Dan: And what makes it more like a porn film is

Dan: the receptionists are twins, so wooden.

Dan: The receptionists are twins, aren't they?

Dan: The two women on reception?

Gav: I'm looking now.

Gav: So one in red and one in white.

Gav: I didn't realise.

Dan: Yeah, it's really weird.

Gav: It's really weird.

Gav: Casting decision, but Just because they're

Gav: twins is probably like oh, because we've

Gav: got a twin thing going on here, let's put

Gav: twins in it, can they act?

Gav: No, Just put them in it.

Dan: So not only did this happen to him when he

Dan: was 12 by these doctors, but one of them

Dan: wasn't even a proper doctor, she was a vet.

Dan: But, like you say, yes, they have some bad

Dan: acting here.

Dan: And he says she's like so what's wrong with

Dan: your cat?

Dan: And he says it's actually not a cat.

Dan: There's something else in my basket that

Dan: you need to see.

Gav: It's so bad.

Dan: She puts the basket on the table and he

Dan: reveals himself and Bilal jumps out and

Dan: kills her.

Dan: Well, starts to kill her.

Dan: She starts screaming.

Dan: The receptionists are trying to get in.

Gav: This is what I discovered.

Gav: It's a revenge film.

Dan: Then this is a great moment, because she's

Dan: trying to grab a scalpel because Bilal is

Dan: strangling her, and then instead there's a

Dan: drawer that she pulls open full of scalp

Dan: holes and sharp things, and Bilal just

Dan: slams her face down into it.

Dan: So when the receptionists run into the room,

Dan: she's there's a great shot where she's got

Dan: all these scalp holes sticking out of her

Dan: face.

Gav: She does scream for about 20 minutes

Gav: straight and the receptionist outside knock

Gav: us out.

Gav: Are you all right?

Gav: No, how can you not hear the length of

Gav: these screams?

Dan: I think the reason they left her screaming

Dan: for so long was A it was terrifying, but B

Dan: it gives you a chance to look at the

Dan: effects, because some of those scalp holes

Dan: are right next to her eyeball.

Dan: It looks so good.

Dan: They're all just like imagine pinhead, but

Dan: with those of scalp holes.

Gav: Scalpel head.

Dan: Scalpel head, that's my rap name.

Gav: It's not that good.

Dan: All right, like you know, rapper or G, jack

Dan: the Rapper, jack the Rapper.

Dan: Okay, so back to the hotel and Sharon, the

Dan: receptionist from earlier.

Dan: She shows up Red flag, red flag.

Dan: She says my boss has been murdered.

Gav: And I've been thinking about you all day.

Gav: Why?

Dan: She says I don't know why I've been

Dan: thinking about you all day, but I have.

Gav: Might be going on a date potentially, but

Gav: that is a bit full on.

Dan: They've only kissed, that's all they've

Dan: done.

Dan: So she cries, they hug, they kiss.

Gav: She is going to boil his bunny yeah.

Gav: That's not going to give him a handjob on

Gav: the table.

Dan: Well before that.

Dan: They're on the bed and he's about to put

Dan: his raw sausage in her basket, but he

Dan: forgets that Bilal is in his basket, isn't

Dan: he Watch it?

Dan: So he starts to imagine this.

Dan: So picture yourself as Sharon Gov forget

Dan: all the red flags.

Dan: You've gone to this man's hotel, you're

Dan: getting down and dirty on the bed with him,

Dan: it's all getting hot and heavy and then,

Dan: all of a sudden, this haemorrhoid bursts

Dan: out of a basket, screaming at you.

Dan: Yeah, what would you do?

Dan: Because she screams and runs out of the

Dan: room, but then she tries to get back in the

Dan: room.

Dan: It depends on desperate.

Dan: You're half a sec, she's desperate.

Gav: She's like don't let me in If you need it,

Gav: if it's been a while.

Gav: You know it sometimes gets desperate, you

Gav: know.

Dan: Well, dwayne and his brother fight.

Gav: I think, you, I think as a man, you stop

Gav: for a moment and go right.

Gav: Then it's just a way up the situation.

Gav: I'm already at it.

Gav: This is great.

Gav: That's not great.

Gav: This is can I deal with this and that?

Gav: Probably, I'll just look this way.

Dan: Especially if you said to the person you

Dan: have a sex with, what is that in the middle?

Dan: And they go don't worry about that.

Dan: That's just my little deformed brother.

Gav: You would.

Gav: Why is he watching as a man guaranteed you

Gav: probably go, yeah, whatever floats your

Gav: boat Does he want to join in.

Gav: I'm guessing as a lady you'll probably go

Gav: lost.

Gav: It now Freed.

Gav: You know you've lost me.

Dan: Well, Dwayne and his brother fight and he

Dan: shoves him back in the basket and lays him

Dan: on the louis Right in.

Gav: Let us know, if there was a deformed man's

Gav: twin in his basket over there, would you

Gav: carry on or would you stop?

Gav: Let us know.

Dan: I've got a terrible story that I could tell.

Gav: Writing on the postcode.

Gav: Dan, please tell us the story.

Dan: So I know someone who this is bad I'm not

Dan: going to tell you the whole story.

Gav: I'm going to tell you every once in a while

Gav: you do one of these, do it.

Dan: Uh, so I know someone I don't anymore

Dan: really but she was with a gentleman, her

Dan: ex-husband, and neither of them would ever

Dan: listen to this show, so that's fine.

Dan: And he used to.

Dan: When they, when they had sex, he used to

Dan: make.

Dan: He used to say to her I need to pretend

Dan: that there's a girl in the wardrobe

Dan: watching us, so anywhere I can get it, get

Dan: it hard and get it done.

Dan: So they had to pretend.

Dan: So she would have to sort of look at the

Dan: wardrobe and go is she still watching us in

Dan: the middle of it?

Dan: And he'd be like, yeah, yeah, she's

Dan: watching everything we're doing.

Dan: And I just thought that was so fucking

Dan: weird and they're obviously divorced now.

Dan: That was one of the many red flags of their

Dan: relationship.

Dan: And if you're into that, guys like if

Dan: you're into voyeurism or whatever, that's

Dan: fine, but I just find that a little bit

Dan: creepy that he used to say there has to be

Dan: a woman or a girl in the cupboard watching

Dan: us.

Dan: That's the only way you can get it done.

Gav: How he should have done it better is put a

Gav: camcorder in there, a filming, and then

Gav: watch the cupboard.

Gav: No, just have that.

Gav: There Might have made it better.

Gav: It's a mutual understand, I think.

Dan: So that was my story.

Dan: It didn't involve any deformities.

Gav: Uncle Gav of his sect tips.

Dan: What you need to do, guys if you want to do

Dan: your own voyeurism, just follow Gav's

Dan: advice.

Dan: Anyway, Bilal crawls around the room

Dan: screaming at the window and his eyes start

Dan: glowing red.

Dan: And he is that guy's horny I think so, but

Dan: also it's like his telepathic power has

Dan: reached its potential potential.

Dan: I think Fucking gong to jizz everywhere,

Dan: isn't he?

Dan: Because he controls Dwayne now and Dwayne

Dan: dreams that he's running down the street

Dan: naked.

Dan: This is what I talked about earlier, and we

Dan: do indeed see him running stark bollock

Dan: naked down the streets of New York.

Gav: Oh, hang on, hang on, because the figma

Gav: jiggies.

Gav: I felt like this was a representation of

Gav: him, his brother, leaving the window again

Gav: a moment ago, and I thought it was a

Gav: corrupt presentation of his brother being

Gav: naked and going down the streets off.

Gav: What this was Can we go back to.

Gav: And my notes was like, yeah, he went out of

Gav: a window before what happened.

Gav: What did happen?

Gav: Did he not go out the window?

Gav: Was that a ruse for everyone who ran into

Gav: the room to think he had gone out the

Gav: window?

Dan: Yeah, he didn't go out the window.

Gav: Ah, it was so before that, right, thank you.

Dan: So Dwayne is running naked through the

Dan: streets and he goes to Sharon's bedroom and

Dan: he starts feeling her up while she's asleep,

Dan: yes, he feels a boob.

Gav: It's not something we'd ever recommend to

Gav: someone asleep.

Gav: It's a Cripshead 2 move.

Dan: It is, and we all know what happens there.

Dan: However, he wakes up and Bilal is not in

Dan: his room and, in fact, it's Bilal that's

Dan: the one that's feeling her up.

Dan: And he starts strangling her.

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: She wakes up and he's so.

Dan: You wake up to this thing on top of you,

Dan: strangling you with its eyes glowing red.

Trailer Voice: Yeah.

Dan: Dwayne bursts into the room.

Gav: Too late, she's dead.

Dan: She's dead, but also it looks like he's

Dan: inserted in her because when he pulls her

Dan: off, he is.

Gav: He's like a leech.

Dan: And he's we'll go.

Gav: He takes her off but oh, he's sitting on

Gav: her groin on the area going up and down

Gav: it's like oh it's like it's like a

Gav: barbocram to get in the head in Reanomator.

Dan: From a head.

Dan: It's so bad.

Gav: It's just like oh, dude, and this was just

Gav: like.

Gav: I was not expecting this and I did not

Gav: remember this.

Dan: Yeah, man.

Dan: Well, because they don't explicitly say it,

Dan: I think it's implied, but it's definitely

Dan: what's happening.

Dan: So we go back to the hotel and again, the

Dan: final time, every single one of the guests

Dan: is awake.

Dan: And this time Bob Oskine says I've had

Dan: enough, I'm gonna kick him out of the hotel.

Dan: So he goes up to the hotel room and as they

Dan: walk in the room, bilal and Dwayne are

Dan: fighting and Bilal pushes Dwayne out the

Dan: window.

Dan: They both fall and then we get this kind of

Dan: bittersweet moment.

Dan: They're where they're hanging off of the

Dan: sign and Bilal realizes this is his chance

Dan: to save Dwayne, because he's hanging with

Dan: one arm and he's got Dwayne in his other

Dan: arm, but because he's only a little

Dan: deformed octopus fella he hasn't quite got

Dan: the strength to hold his brother and he

Dan: really wants to and you can see from his

Dan: face he's thinking I can't drop him, he's

Dan: my brother, although we're fighting.

Dan: But sadly he hasn't got the strength and

Dan: they both fall to their death in front of

Dan: all of the street.

Dan: Workers, prostitutes slash, sex workers

Dan: splat on the ground.

Gav: They should have kept playing here.

Gav: Where will I be famous, bross?

Gav: Why?

Gav: Because, brothers.

Dan: Well, the hotel was called the Hotel

Dan: Broslin.

Dan: See, the way they're hanging, is they cut

Dan: out the L and the I and the N, so it's the

Dan: hotel Bross.

Dan: So it's quite good Hanging tough.

Dan: So you're onto something there.

Dan: That was New Kids on the Block.

Gav: I know NKRATB.

Dan: If you're cool.

Dan: So yeah, they splat on the pavement and a

Dan: man comes over.

Dan: A random bloke just comes over and says, oh

Dan: yep, they're dead and that's the end.

Dan: Now they're not dead because they make two

Dan: sequins.

Gav: How the fuck is there part two and part

Gav: three, and can we please not watch them?

Dan: Oh, that's a shame.

Gav: I know you've said like and they're driving

Gav: away, they're gonna do a part two and part

Gav: three and they're upset and they're like,

Gav: oh no.

Dan: Maybe now, maybe we'll come to them at some

Dan: point Before we give our thoughts and stuff

Dan: on that just quickly.

Dan: Then Basket Case Two came out in 1990, so

Dan: many years later, like eight years later

Dan: and the synopsis is Dwayne and his

Dan: basket-bound mutant brother are taken in to

Dan: a secret home for wayward freaks with a

Dan: journalist hot on their tail.

Dan: Then Basket Case Three, which came out the

Dan: following year.

Dan: Synopsis is Dwayne recovers from his

Dan: delusional breakdown to find his freakish

Dan: basket-bound brother will soon become a

Dan: father.

Dan: Not everything is joyous as the once

Dan: tight-knit brothers no longer seem to trust

Dan: each other.

Gav: He's got his own little life.

Gav: What's?

Gav: He got a paper round.

Dan: He works on Wall Street.

Gav: Is he throwing papers while someone's in

Gav: the basket?

Dan: Ah, but yeah, so Basket Case 1982.

Dan: Now my thoughts, before you give yours,

Dan: because I know you've got your thoughts.

Dan: My thoughts are it's a really highly

Dan: original film.

Dan: It feels like we've seen this so many times,

Dan: but actually this was the first time we'd

Dan: seen a sort of conjoined twin type film.

Dan: The effects aren't always good, but when

Dan: you see his face for the first time and

Dan: then a couple of times throughout this,

Dan: it's quite terrifying because it's like you

Dan: said, there's no expression, it's got very

Dan: soulless eyes, the way it screams and that

Dan: whole flashback is just really takes you to

Dan: a really dark place and it's quite a

Dan: serious tone all of a sudden.

Dan: And because of that, I've really enjoyed

Dan: this and it is a silly early 80s, almost

Dan: trauma type film.

Dan: But there is a lot going on in there that

Dan: pushes it slightly above for me.

Dan: Definitely, it's definitely one of those

Dan: ones that people talk about.

Dan: It was one on the playground that people

Dan: talked about and yeah, that's kind of it

Dan: for now for me, but I really liked it.

Dan: But tell me about you, what did you think?

Gav: I haven't seen it for many years and watch

Gav: it again it was.

Gav: I became a little bit bored of it.

Gav: My attention span didn't really stick with

Gav: it anymore.

Gav: It's not a Gav movie, I can't you know.

Dan: I can't recommend it and is that because of

Dan: the horror.

Gav: Yeah, yeah, I can't recommend it to someone

Gav: who doesn't like the movies I like or likes

Gav: the movies I like, doesn't like basically

Gav: me and I don't like it.

Gav: But you might be into this film.

Dan: Yeah, if it does the job of making you feel

Dan: a bit uncomfortable and a bit dirty and

Dan: gross.

Gav: It's early 80s New York grimy movie and

Gav: it's kind of almost a sub genre.

Gav: So like, if you know what you're getting

Gav: into, you'll probably be into it and if

Gav: you're like, you might be like, yeah, I'm

Gav: really into that sort of thing.

Gav: I really like the New York scene of that

Gav: time.

Gav: I find the history you know everything went

Gav: on there Quite fascinating.

Gav: I've watched documentaries on the crack and

Gav: the Democratic stuff.

Gav: I find it really interesting.

Gav: I know it's terrible in a lot of places,

Gav: but very interesting.

Gav: And this is a type of film and you might be

Gav: into it, you know.

Dan: Yeah, and, like you said, if you know what

Dan: you're getting into I mean the synopsis

Dan: alone if you know you're going to be

Dan: watching a film about a guy with a deformed

Dan: half brother, in his basket, kind of yeah,

Dan: the ex-anist or something.

Dan: Yeah, it's not Shakespeare, but it does

Dan: what it says and there's some good deaths

Dan: in it and it's quite a good story in my

Dan: opinion.

Dan: You know, this kid was wronged as a

Dan: 12-year-old and so when he's older, I mean

Dan: his mutant brother go on the murder's

Dan: rampage.

Gav: I could say it don't the really emotionally

Gav: done by David Cronenberg.

Dan: Oh God, yeah, oh my God, If he ever did

Dan: something like this because he did the

Dan: Brood, didn't he?

Dan: With the children growing off of the woman

Dan: and going out in Kenneby Falls, that's kind

Dan: of his version of that.

Gav: Yeah, Stolt a Rumour.

Gav: David Cronenberg's remaking a basket case

Gav: Stolt a Rumour.

Dan: He's producing it and Rob Zombie is

Dan: directing it.

Dan: No, Sherry Moon is grimsy.

Dan: Sherry Moon is in the basket.

Dan: She's going to be in the basket.

Dan: She's going to be in the basket.

Dan: She's going to be in the basket.

Dan: She's going to be in the basket.

Gav: Can you imagine, I want it, I want it Twerk

Gav: in.

Dan: Yeah, I want it, oh God.

Trailer Voice: Well, there you go, guys.

Gav: She played both, though didn't she, she'd

Gav: be like him with a big, really big afro,

Gav: and the basket as well.

Dan: Do you think Rob Zombie's ultimate film

Dan: would be like Men?

Dan: But instead it's like.

Gav: Sherry.

Gav: Sherry Moon is every character.

Dan: It's just called Sherry and every character

Dan: in it.

Dan: There's a bloke, there's a kid.

Gav: Somebody please make that movie right now

Gav: with AI.

Dan: Sherry Moon is every character in a village

Dan: and a man gets lost there.

Dan: Eli Roth turns up in the village and

Dan: everyone knows Sherry Moon.

Gav: Speaking of AI, I have turned to chat GBT

Gav: now, where before I was a bit like chat

Gav: what?

Gav: I couldn't get the letters right when you

Gav: turned me.

Gav: I'm in there now.

Gav: I'm on it.

Gav: I'm on it.

Gav: It's so good, it's interesting isn't it.

Gav: It's so amazing what you can do with it.

Gav: Very, very helpful tool.

Dan: Well, I've got to say, Gav it is basket

Dan: case is a big deformed thumbs up.

Dan: For me it's a big deformed raw sausage in

Dan: my basket.

Gav: Yes.

Dan: What about you?

Gav: I don't know what has to be raw.

Gav: It's just a boxbark in a way.

Dan: Well, it's because we're talking about raw

Dan: sausage.

Dan: Your opinions on body horror aside, try and

Dan: leave those aside.

Dan: What do you think of this overall?

Dan: Is it a thumbs up or a thumb stain?

Gav: Kind of it dragged for me.

Gav: It's a thumbs down for me OK.

Dan: Well, if you have seen basket case, we'd be

Dan: interested to know what you guys think.

Dan: It's one that people don't often talk about.

Dan: It wasn't quite a video nasty, but it was

Dan: probably quite close to it.

Dan: But if you have seen it, that's all right.

Dan: If you haven't seen it, go check it out,

Dan: but be warned it's a dirty and grimy.

Gav: If you see any, you can watch it and follow

Gav: up with greasy strangler for pudding.

Gav: Oh.

Dan: God Pudding Well talking of.

Dan: Drippy, drippy pudding.

Dan: Talking of drippy puddings, Bill Murray's

Dan: here and he has got his own rule sausage to

Dan: put on our baskets, because Bill Murray and

Dan: their drippy puddings.

Gav: Is that his?

Dan: band.

Dan: He's born a very nice tuxedo today Because

Dan: he's, you know, last couple of episodes

Dan: he's turned up in various gimp outfits.

Dan: So he's here today with a big list which is

Dan: going to pass to me so we can read out for

Dan: our world of the strange.

Dan: So, bill, if you're ready to lead us into

Dan: the world of the strange, please do so.

Dan: My friend, hi, welcome back to world of the

Dan: strange.

Trailer Voice: Oh, it's one of the New York strange.

Dan: Bill Murray, no stranger to New York.

Dan: He lives there, he loves New York, he's a

Dan: New Yorker through and through.

Dan: So, obviously, ghostbusters 1 and 2, both

Dan: shot in New York and, you know, set in New

Dan: York.

Dan: Yes, we are going to be talking about New

Dan: York for this world of the strange, and I

Dan: have got a list of urban legends that New

Dan: York is famous for, and we're going to go

Dan: through these, see if you've heard of them,

Dan: see what your thoughts are on them, and a

Dan: couple of them I can debunk for you as well.

Dan: Okay, okay.

Dan: So we talked about rats earlier, so the

Dan: first one on here is the rat problem in New

Dan: York.

Dan: Brilliant, apparently, there is one rat for

Dan: every human in New York.

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: It's a lot of rats.

Dan: However, apparently that is no longer the

Dan: case.

Dan: They have sorted out their rat problem in

Dan: the last 20 years, but there are still an

Dan: awful lot of rats there.

Dan: I've seen that documentary and I'm sure you

Dan: have.

Dan: Where the guys are going around and they

Dan: sort of kick some trash cans, yeah, like 25

Dan: rats runs out.

Dan: It's just absolutely appalling.

Dan: But they do say one of the urban legends is

Dan: they do say you're never more than about

Dan: two foot from a rat when you're in New York.

Dan: And it turns me on, or me when I'm just

Dan: literally here.

Dan: Right there now, there you go.

Dan: Well, that was the first one.

Dan: It's not very interesting, but the second

Dan: one is.

Dan: The second one is, you might have heard of

Dan: him, Cropsy.

Dan: Yes, You've all heard of Cropsy.

Dan: Cropsy is a maniac who snatches children on

Dan: Staten Island and kills them with his hook

Dan: hand or an ice pick or an axe Depends on

Dan: your version of the story and that's kind

Dan: of the basis for a lot of things, like I

Dan: know what he did last summer Candyman.

Dan: A lot of these slashes come from this.

Dan: Now there's even been a Cropsy film made

Dan: and he's not real, apparently.

Dan: But there was an employee at a state school

Dan: on Staten Island it was a school for

Dan: children with disabilities and he was

Dan: convicted of kidnapping and potentially

Dan: harming children and that's where it came

Dan: from.

Dan: And then, apparently, that school shut down

Dan: and if you go back there now and you say

Dan: something like if you say Cropsy, five

Dan: times, you'll come and get you or something

Dan: like that Will he now.

Dan: He maybe will.

Gav: How has this been proven?

Gav: Because surely, if they've been killed and

Gav: we said it, how's the person who said that

Gav: this happened?

Dan: Someone tick-tocked themselves as they did

Dan: it.

Gav: Did they now?

Dan: Yeah, but I don't know.

Dan: We've all heard of Cropsy, though.

Dan: It is an interesting one, and a city like

Dan: New York is going to have a lot of urban

Dan: legends, and one of them's got to be some

Dan: kind of its own sort of Freddy Krueger type

Dan: killer, now something that New York is very

Dan: famous for, new York, new York, new York Is

Dan: Gab singing.

Gav: Is that a song?

Gav: Who sings it?

Gav: Jay-z the other teams are made up.

Dan: Yes, so New York is very, very famous for

Dan: its sewers, and we're going to be covering

Dan: more of that when we talk about Chud the

Dan: Edge, mutant Ninja Turtles.

Dan: Exactly Now, one of the things that New

Dan: York is very famous for, and its sewers, is

Dan: alligators.

Gav: Oh, and it's the alligator.

Gav: We covered that.

Dan: Yeah, although that isn't that set in

Dan: Chicago, but even so there is rumours that

Dan: people in the 60s and 70s had alligators as

Dan: pets and then when the law came in, the

Dan: dangerous animal law, and everybody got rid

Dan: of their monkeys and tigers, they flushed

Dan: them down the toilet.

Dan: Now in the UK this is true, because this is

Dan: why we have big cats living out in Cornwall

Dan: and Devon and they are real.

Dan: It's proven.

Dan: They are real.

Dan: It's because people got rid of their and I

Dan: use the term pet loosely because it was

Dan: like the early 80s they brought in this

Dan: little.

Dan: That said, actually it's really dangerous

Dan: to have a chimpanzee or a monkey or a tiger

Dan: as a pet.

Dan: But yes, so the rumour is that people would

Dan: flush their pets down the toilet.

Dan: And actually it's far back as 1932, the New

Dan: York Times reported an alligator was

Dan: sighted in the Bronx River and later on in

Dan: the 30s, some teenagers said they saw one

Dan: crawl out of a sewer and throughout the

Dan: years people still claim to see alligators.

Dan: The sewer workers that go down there say

Dan: they see all sorts and they've claimed to

Dan: see alligators living in the sewers.

Dan: It's never been proven.

Dan: But it's never not been proven either Garth,

Dan: and people do still have crazy pets in New

Dan: York.

Gav: There is a story tigers and shit.

Dan: Yeah, there was that story as a photograph.

Dan: You can look this up, guys listening.

Dan: A photograph of a fireman on a ladder.

Gav: Looking at it.

Dan: And there's a tiger coming out of the

Dan: bathroom window at him, like 20 stories up.

Dan: So somebody had a tiger in their 20 story

Dan: tiny apartment in Brooklyn and wondered why.

Dan: You know, it's gone a bit crazy.

Gav: It makes it Frank.

Gav: No, no, stop the ladder, frank, stop the

Gav: ladder.

Gav: Stop the ladder, it's getting closer to the

Gav: fucking tiger.

Trailer Voice: It's a tiger.

Gav: Just looking at you waiting for dinner.

Dan: But yeah, sewer alligators, man crazy.

Dan: We had the crocodile, the Bristol crocodile,

Dan: didn't we Do?

Trailer Voice: you remember what it is.

Dan: It's never proven and that story sort of

Dan: went away after a while.

Dan: But yeah, I think you always hear about

Dan: these things.

Dan: You hear about goldfish being flushed down

Dan: the toilet and mutating, or Ninja Turtles,

Dan: whoever you want to, whichever story you

Dan: want to go down.

Dan: Now here's a good one about some ghosts,

Dan: some ice skating ghosts.

Gav: Amazing.

Dan: Okay, so this is the story of the Vander

Dan: Vort sisters.

Dan: Now, they were spinsters in 1880 and they

Dan: died within a couple of months of each

Dan: other.

Dan: They were two crazy old ladies, didn't

Dan: speak to anybody other than themselves.

Dan: Sisters, and they died within a couple of

Dan: months of each other.

Dan: And people claim to this day even to spot

Dan: them, one in a red dress and one in a

Dan: purple dress, ice skating in Central Park,

Dan: on the ice rink, nice, in the middle of the

Dan: night, just skating.

Dan: And people say when they see them it's

Dan: always the same story their feet, they

Dan: don't have ice skates on, their feet,

Dan: aren't touching the ice, they're just

Dan: slightly floating above the ice.

Dan: Can you imagine seeing those two sisters?

Dan: I'd never heard of them.

Dan: So, the Vander Vort sisters if you're ever

Dan: in New York and you're in, I don't know why

Dan: you'd be in Central Park at the ice rink at

Dan: two in the morning, unless you're looking

Dan: to get mugged or murdered or worse.

Dan: Then yeah, look out for the Vander Vort

Dan: sisters.

Dan: They'll be ice skating silently, slightly

Dan: above the ice.

Gav: That's pretty cool.

Dan: Now let's skip from ghosts to pirates.

Dan: Splendid, we love pirates, arrr, arrr.

Dan: So we're talking about Captain Kid.

Dan: He was hanged in 1701 for piracy.

Gav: What is his shit name?

Dan: Captain William Kid.

Dan: He's rumoured to have stashed some pirate

Dan: treasure on Liberty Island.

Gav: Captain Kid sounds like a fucking rapper

Gav: from 2023, though he's got all the fucking

Gav: weird toes on his face.

Dan: Yeah, that's true.

Dan: So people have been searching Liberty

Dan: Island for this gold for centuries and no

Dan: one's ever found it.

Dan: I think it's probably not there if no one's

Dan: found it by now, but apparently some people

Dan: say they've seen pirate apparitions

Dan: guarding the area that the gold's supposed

Dan: to be in.

Dan: So I don't know.

Dan: Pirate gold, the goonies, that kind of

Dan: thing on Liberty Island.

Dan: It's cool, sounds cool.

Dan: These are all urban legends that New York

Dan: is famous for.

Gav: Another one there, all of them pretty cool

Gav: though.

Dan: They're all cool, aren't they?

Dan: What about?

Dan: You must have heard of this.

Dan: Next one, then, about people that have died

Dan: at the bottom of the Empire State Building

Dan: because someone's dropped a penny off the

Dan: top of the Empire State Building.

Gav: No, no, please tell me.

Dan: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dan: So there is a rumour that if you drop a

Dan: penny or any coin off the top of the Empire

Dan: State Building, it'll build up such a

Dan: velocity that it will basically act as a

Dan: bullet by the time it gets to the bottom

Dan: and it will kill some people instantly.

Dan: But this has been proven by science to not

Dan: be possible.

Dan: It will hurt you.

Dan: It will really hurt you.

Gav: It wouldn't have.

Gav: I'll bet you it's because the direct course

Gav: it wouldn't have, direct course it'd be

Gav: going over.

Dan: Yeah, because it hasn't been fired out of a

Dan: gun.

Dan: So it's not real, but it's definitely

Dan: something I used to hear as a kid and in

Dan: fact even when I went to New York.

Dan: On the top of the Empire State Building,

Dan: you know, there's gates up and raining so

Dan: you could never throw anything off anyway.

Dan: But I even thought of it then I thought,

Dan: christ, imagine if I accidentally dropped

Dan: my like can of Coke and I killed someone

Dan: you know.

Dan: Wow, imagine that.

Dan: But that one has been debunked.

Dan: So I'm really sorry.

Dan: There is no such thing as a killer penny.

Dan: But what is real is the more.

Dan: There's a shit horror movie in it the

Dan: Killer Penny.

Gav: Killer walks all the way up to the top and

Gav: just drops a penny off.

Gav: It goes back down.

Dan: It sounds more like an episode of Columbo.

Dan: It sounds more like an episode of Columbo

Dan: to me Sarah's getting me the box out for

Dan: Christmas, Lucky boy so excited.

Gav: Yeah, fucking because for free, free.

Gav: They just fucking taking them all off.

Dan: Oh, I hate when they do that.

Gav: Fuckers.

Dan: So let's move on to something you touched

Dan: on, and that's the mole people, Don't tell

Dan: people oh yeah, the city of the mole people.

Gav: You can tell about the mole people I

Gav: touched.

Dan: Don't talk, don't touch my mole.

Trailer Voice: Oh.

Dan: Yeah, the city of mole people.

Dan: So in all the tunnels beneath New York City

Dan: there is a society, a city of people known

Dan: as the mole people, not because they look

Dan: like moles and they sort of scramble around

Dan: in the dirt, but because they live

Dan: underground.

Gav: This is what I was talking about earlier.

Dan: It's a documentary dog days.

Gav: Check it out.

Gav: It's really good.

Dan: It's really interesting and it's real.

Gav: There's all politics down there Because

Gav: they're like neighbors, legit, like you

Gav: know.

Gav: That's my space, that's your all space.

Gav: Don't come into my space.

Dan: But also part of that that it's not even an

Dan: urban legend, but part of that story is

Dan: what spawned Chud, because some of the

Dan: rumors were before it really got fully

Dan: investigated.

Dan: Some of the rumors were that these were

Dan: like deformed people that live down there

Dan: or cannibals, that kind of thing, so that

Dan: kind of inspired films like Chud.

Dan: But yeah, there is a whole city below a

Dan: city of people that.

Gav: It's not anymore, but yeah.

Dan: It's crazy, crazy, crazy.

Dan: Like Skid Row, but underground.

Gav: People down there like really trying to

Gav: like something, really trying to stay clean,

Gav: and they'd cook down there and have like

Gav: legit cleaning kitchen type of thing they

Gav: had made and you know there was apparently

Gav: a church.

Dan: There was doctors that lived down there.

Dan: It was like what's going on?

Dan: Yeah, Would you want to live under New York

Dan: City?

Gav: Well, it's rent-free but it comes with,

Gav: obviously, rape yeah.

Dan: Yeah, well, let's move on to another ghost

Dan: story, and I'm talking about the Hudson

Dan: River ghost ship.

Dan: So when New York was a very small village,

Dan: many, many years ago, there were reports of

Dan: a spooky ship seen floating on the Hudson

Dan: River.

Gav: Not a spooky ship seen floating on the

Gav: Hudson River.

Gav: Not a ship.

Dan: There was a lot of ships floating in the

Dan: river, but not a spooky one.

Gav: Because that ship is really creepy and

Gav: spooky, but a ship with a P.

Gav: Why would a ship be spooky though A turd?

Gav: How could a turd be spooky, do you think?

Dan: Um, could be sort of white to the ghostly

Dan: face.

Gav: Or it could have like a little fog around

Gav: it as it went.

Dan: Yeah, could be.

Dan: Maybe, Well, over many, many hundreds of

Dan: years.

Dan: People say that if you look carefully and

Dan: if there's enough fog.

Dan: So, basically, if you can't see properly,

Dan: if there's enough fog and it's quite dark,

Dan: you will see If you're short-sighted and

Dan: you take your glasses off and you poke

Dan: yourself in the eyes.

Dan: And you take some drugs.

Dan: Put a blindfold on, you will see the Hudson

Dan: River ghost ship floating around.

Dan: Now what I love about all of these is this

Dan: is all reminding me of like Ghostbusters

Dan: and Ghostbusters 2, and all the ghosts come

Dan: out, you know and start doing everything

Dan: Very much.

Gav: Ghostbusters 2, yeah.

Dan: Yeah, so that's that one and the last one.

Dan: You're going to love this last one.

Dan: This last one is called the Bermuda Car

Dan: Triangle Splendid.

Gav: Splendid.

Dan: Um, now you've heard of the obviously the

Dan: Bermuda Triangle.

Dan: Yeah, ships and planes disappear.

Dan: But in Manhattan there is a phenomenon

Dan: called the Bermuda Car Triangle, and it

Dan: only happened for one year, in 2008,.

Dan: There was a five-block radius near the

Dan: Empire State Building and any car that

Dan: would drive into it instantly broke down.

Gav: Wow, it's just Like a magnetic field going

Gav: on there or something.

Gav: It couldn't work it out.

Dan: And the funny thing is, tow trucks would

Dan: come in, take the car out and then, but

Dan: when it got out of the radius the car would

Dan: start back up again.

Gav: But how come the tow trucks are all right?

Dan: Well, this is the flaw in the story, isn't

Dan: it?

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: It was only cars, trucks, buses and other

Dan: things were fine, yeah, but it was a

Dan: phenomenon that people reported in 2008.

Dan: Right so, the Bermuda Car Triangle.

Dan: So that's my list of New York.

Dan: Oh, that's very good.

Gav: My favourite ones are I bet Bill liked it

Gav: because obviously he's a native.

Dan: He's telling me to say remember the time I

Dan: drove the Statue of Liberty using a

Dan: Nintendo controller.

Gav: That's a weird one.

Dan: Bill, my favourite out of all of these is

Dan: definitely sewer alligators.

Dan: I love a good sewer alligator.

Dan: Yeah, I love a good sewer alligator, not

Dan: when I shit ones, I also love Cropsy.

Dan: I love good Cropsy as well.

Dan: I love a good Cropsy story as well.

Dan: But, yeah, if you ever go to New York, go

Dan: have.

Dan: Yeah, definitely.

Gav: Watch out for these things, check them out

Gav: or watch out for them, whatever you fancy.

Dan: Don't drop your money off the top of the

Dan: Empire State Building, because it won't

Dan: kill anyone, but you'll be skinned.

Gav: Yeah Well, thank you, Bill Dan.

Dan: Bill.

Dan: Any thoughts on that?

Gav: No, we're not going to talk about that.

Gav: That's disgusting.

Gav: Take a saver.

Dan: Okay, let's head off here.

Gav: That's all the time we've got for this week.

Trailer Voice: on World of Strange Next week though gimme

Trailer Voice: iron Hairless pets Weird, we're.

Trailer Voice: Beneath the city of New York are living

Trailer Voice: catacombs, an endless maze of subterranean

Trailer Voice: tunnels unfit for anything human,

Trailer Voice: unauthorized for anything experimental and

Trailer Voice: unlikely to bring anyone down there.

Trailer Voice: So they're coming up.

Trailer Voice: Chud Chud, check your basement and your

Trailer Voice: bathroom, keep off the street and try to

Trailer Voice: hide, but remember the dark is their place,

Trailer Voice: the night is their time, and tomorrow the

Trailer Voice: only things living in the city of New York

Trailer Voice: will be Chud Chud, cannibalistic, humanoid

Trailer Voice: underground dwellers.

Trailer Voice: Chud, they're not staying down there

Trailer Voice: anymore.

Gav: Chud from 1984.

Gav: A bizarre series of sudden disappearances

Gav: on the streets of New York City seems to

Gav: point towards something unsavory like a

Gav: sausage roll living in the sewers.

Gav: I added that Like a sausage roll.

Gav: There's no sausage roll living in the

Gav: sewers.

Dan: Yeah.

Gav: Chud.

Gav: Funny enough, I and he's saying this for

Gav: the first time with Sarah last year and we

Gav: didn't get to the end because ten minutes

Gav: of the ending on Amazon Prime went and the

Gav: soundtrack just went like slow mo, like

Gav: proper slow mo, and I was like what the

Gav: fuck?

Gav: But I thought it was a stalled choice.

Gav: After a while I was like nah, robert Foster

Gav: has not.

Dan: No, he's an alligator An alligator.

Gav: I think of the dude in this, john Hurt.

Dan: John Hurt.

Dan: Kevin McCulloch has just had.

Gav: Yeah, it does not talk, it doesn't talk

Gav: like that, but anyway I was actually more

Gav: familiar and had on videotape and watched

Gav: it quite a lot Chud too.

Gav: But the Chud, yeah, take a type of

Gav: different type of movie, horror comedy,

Gav: where some college kids find it would be

Gav: good for a prank to take a corpse from the

Gav: medical school, the mortuary, and it

Gav: happened, and then revive it, I think, and

Gav: it happens to be, then classes Chud too.

Gav: Nothing like this.

Dan: Well, it wasn't really anything to do with

Dan: Chud.

Dan: No.

Dan: They just added that to the title and

Dan: turned it into a sequel.

Gav: Just used that yeah.

Dan: But yeah, we've seen that type of film lots

Dan: of times, haven't we?

Dan: Yeah, vamp, and there's a bunch of movies

Dan: where they two kids do a college prank and

Dan: then it all goes wrong.

Dan: There's a bunch the creeps.

Gav: Yeah, maybe that should be a subgenre.

Dan: Yeah, college pranks gone wrong.

Gav: Yeah.

Trailer Voice: So this one, yeah, Chud.

Gav: A cannabasic humanoid underground douelard.

Dan: Yeah, or contaminated.

Dan: What was the other thing that stands for

Dan: Contaminated?

Dan: There's another thing that stands for as

Dan: well, that they talk about in this.

Gav: It's a cool name, it's CHU Chud.

Gav: It's great for a video shot, that's for

Gav: sure.

Dan: Especially because you see the word and

Dan: then underneath it you see cannabasic,

Dan: humanoid underground douelard.

Dan: You think, ok, wow, does that tells me

Dan: everything I need to know?

Dan: The fact that then on the front cover there

Dan: was a little sewer peeking up, but instead

Dan: of a friendly Ninja Turtle peeking out, you

Dan: got these glowing eyes and a claw coming

Dan: out Again.

Dan: This is one of those ones.

Dan: I mentioned it earlier.

Dan: You see it in the video shot when you want

Dan: to know what that's about.

Dan: I was talking to our buddy, rj McCready,

Dan: about this earlier today and I said I've

Dan: got a bit of a story with this one because

Dan: it was one of the ones that I always wanted

Dan: to rent.

Dan: And then I feel bad that I tricked my mum

Dan: into renting it for me because she said oh

Dan: no, it's an 18.

Dan: I'm not going to let you watch that one.

Dan: And one afternoon I said to her please,

Dan: please, mum, I think it's related to the

Dan: Ninja Turtles.

Dan: Look at the front cover.

Dan: And she thought, oh, if it's got something

Dan: coming out of the sewer, then he's probably

Dan: right.

Dan: I watched it and I was kind of a bit scared

Dan: of watching it, but it's one that I

Dan: definitely saw as a kid probably a bit too

Dan: young and it's probably the better of the

Dan: two films that we're covering in this

Dan: episode.

Dan: But again it's got a really great plot, a

Dan: lot of political undertones in this to do

Dan: with the underground, the homeless people

Dan: the Uppies Real life.

Gav: pixie in it.

Dan: Real life pixie.

Dan: As a lady, it looks like a pixie, oh, yes,

Dan: yes, she does a bit, doesn't she?

Gav: Well, it looks like a pixie.

Gav: I could get my head around last time with

Gav: Brian May's hair, and this time it's a

Gav: pixie, and it's got a fantastic score as

Gav: well, a really memorable score.

Gav: I wouldn't say memorable, but I'd say

Gav: unique and interesting.

Dan: Yeah, it's got its own score like you, sort

Dan: of its own motif, and it's got some good

Dan: acting in it.

Dan: And let's talk about those actress briefly,

Dan: john.

Gav: Goodman very quickly just thrown that in

Gav: there just the first time I ever roll as a

Gav: cop not acting fairly decent actually.

Dan: But not of an ice cop either.

Gav: A bit of a bit of a.

Gav: But, then gets killed straight away.

Gav: But you only just see a slight reaction,

Gav: that's it.

Gav: But just go just through that in there like

Gav: that.

Dan: And then we get a bit of a home alone

Dan: reunion, because we've got Marv from home

Dan: alone, one of the burglars, daniel Stern as

Dan: the sort of the ambassador for the homeless

Dan: people, and then you've got John Hurd,

Dan: kevin McAllister's dad, who is a

Dan: photographer in New York, and they sort of

Dan: team up along with another guy called

Dan: Captain Bosch.

Gav: Bosch, who is really badly cast.

Gav: He's a great character, though.

Dan: He's not good, he's not well cast, he is

Dan: like a poor man's Tom Atkins.

Gav: It's just, he has nothing going on.

Gav: It's very like.

Dan: I like him, though I really like the

Dan: character.

Dan: I don't know.

Dan: He's probably my favorite character, isn't

Dan: it?

Gav: I don't know, so I don't know, he like

Gav: Christopher George or something.

Dan: But yeah, so he plays Christopher.

Dan: Sorry, he's played by Christopher Curry.

Dan: So you've got three main guys, and then

Dan: you've got also got Lauren, who is Daniel

Dan: Hurd's girlfriend, who's a model as well.

Dan: So we've got a good little cast in this

Dan: great plot and there's a lot of political

Dan: undertones, like I say, a lot of commentary

Dan: on class, the yuppies, all that kind of

Dan: stuff going on it is interesting, speaking

Dan: of the cast, that there is a couple of

Dan: people in it who well, three people really

Dan: gone on to have big acting careers yeah,

Dan: like John Goodman as well.

Gav: I know that's very much just almost a cameo,

Gav: but it's quite interesting where that came

Gav: from and that must be in the production or

Gav: the cast and agents or whatever.

Gav: But not bad, you know.

Dan: And they play very different characters to

Dan: where they end up.

Dan: You know they all end up going into sort of

Dan: family comedies.

Dan: A lot of those go, apart from John Goodman.

Dan: So yeah, it's cool.

Dan: I really like it.

Dan: There was a sequel that we just touched

Dan: about.

Dan: There's nothing to do with this one.

Dan: So if you're going to watch Bud the Chud

Dan: and that's a great title, bud the Chud, but

Dan: it's nothing to do with this this is about

Dan: things living underground and this taps

Dan: into that underground in the sewers thing,

Dan: but also it taps into the mutated radiation

Dan: type thing as well, which was big in the

Dan: big in the fifties actually, but also came

Dan: back a little bit in the seventies and

Dan: eighties with deformed creatures.

Dan: Now the spoiler spoiler here straight away

Dan: is is that these creatures are actually the,

Dan: the homeless people that the government

Dan: have mutated by dumping loads of chemicals

Dan: underground and radioactive waste and over

Dan: the course of however many years, these

Dan: poor homeless people have turned into these

Dan: cannibalistic, humanoid underground

Dan: dwellers that the government then trying

Dan: cover up.

Dan: So again, it's like kind of bit of an

Dan: anti-government punk vibe to it, which was

Dan: very new york in the early 80s punk,

Dan: anti-government, anti-establishment.

Gav: So he's an ate, his fucking New York

Gav: government.

Dan: Yeah, fuck him, fuck the man.

Dan: So we start off with the score which I

Dan: mentioned and we start off with a dog, a

Dan: lady walking your dog in the middle of the

Dan: night I don't know why she's out late

Dan: walking her dog.

Gav: Yeah, it's a big, big, wide open shot of an

Gav: empty road.

Gav: It looks quite nice actually.

Dan: And we see a sewer lid slide open and a

Dan: claw grabs her ankle.

Dan: She screams dog, runs off.

Dan: Title card chud, chud.

Dan: There we are.

Dan: Now that lady is someone that will come

Dan: back, because it turns out that she's

Dan: actually the wife of Captain Bosch Bosch,

Dan: bish, bash, bosch.

Dan: So, but we'll find that out in a few scenes

Dan: time.

Dan: So there we go.

Dan: There's your first bit.

Dan: All that's left of her is a shoe.

Gav: We see lots of the streets in New New York

Gav: now in a day time and a trash lorry when

Gav: the brushes are outside the streets

Gav: Sweepers.

Dan: Sweepers.

Gav: It's going along.

Gav: We follow that for a little while actually.

Dan: Yeah, and it sweeps up the lady's shoe Last

Dan: bit of evidence that she was ever there and

Dan: her shoe's gone.

Dan: We see all the homeless people.

Dan: We see Kevin McCullis's dad who's a really

Dan: annoying photographer.

Gav: Who's such like egotistical stuck up is any

Gav: arse.

Dan: He's got this, so basically his story is

Dan: that I'm an artist.

Dan: Yeah, he's an artist and he's got this

Dan: project that he's doing on the homeless

Dan: people of New York and he's got a

Dan: relationship with some of them as well and

Dan: he's friends with them.

Dan: They let him into his world and he takes

Dan: these sort of documentary pictures, but no

Dan: one's interested in that at the moment.

Dan: People just want to pay him to take

Dan: pictures of models naked and so he does

Dan: that to make his money.

Dan: But when he's doing it, you know, even when

Dan: his girlfriend is doing a perfume

Dan: advertisement, he's still really sort of

Dan: against it all and he's like man, this

Dan: isn't what I'm here to do, I'm here to take.

Dan: You know, I'm here to document the world.

Gav: I tried to figure out this.

Gav: He's done that.

Gav: But I guess on the side she says we take

Gav: photos for me, or he, I think it would be.

Gav: He's been like, look, if you're doing any

Gav: pictures where you're taking clothes off or

Gav: anything like that, I'm the one.

Gav: But then he's like oh, what are we doing

Gav: today?

Gav: Oh, are we doing today ones?

Gav: We take them off.

Gav: That means he's a dog for a time, but does

Gav: that mean when she gets the gig, when her

Gav: agent gets her the gig, does she go?

Gav: The only tipplation is that my boyfriend

Gav: has to take his photos.

Gav: Do you know what I mean?

Gav: That's a bit of a company to be like no,

Gav: fuck off.

Dan: What could?

Gav: it be.

Dan: It could just be that they, either someone

Dan: else, do have their own photographer as

Dan: well, so it could be that, but also it

Dan: could just be that they move in the similar

Dan: circles it could be, I don't know.

Gav: Might be just as a package.

Gav: You just do these gigs, but he's so like

Gav: I'm fucking the shit and it's just he can't

Gav: see past in this bit like, oh, come on, man,

Gav: it's very childish actually, in the way.

Dan: But the first time he talks to his

Dan: girlfriend she is putting makeup on her

Dan: bottom because she's got a pimple on her

Dan: butt.

Dan: Cheek.

Dan: Yep and he's laughing at her and she says

Dan: I've got to go off and I'm gonna have my

Dan: butt photographed today so I can't have a

Dan: pimple on there.

Dan: He's got a phone, so and she says where's

Dan: my jewellery?

Dan: And he says what?

Dan: It's in the basement.

Dan: She says what?

Dan: So you've brought all your photographic

Dan: equipment up here because they've just

Dan: moved into this apartment, but you haven't

Dan: brought up any of mine.

Dan: He's just like go get it yourself.

Dan: He's a bit of a dick.

Gav: Yeah, and he's got a deadline as a phone

Gav: message for him, because he doesn't answer

Gav: the phone because he's too big for that,

Gav: and he's got a deadline, which just do

Gav: keeps hassling him for through the out of

Gav: the film.

Dan: And she goes to the basement.

Gav: He's an artist, don't you know?

Dan: Don't you know?

Dan: She goes to the basement to collect her

Dan: jewellery and she hears a scratching sound

Dan: coming from a grating so are the fucking

Dan: rats up here.

Dan: The rats above cams head.

Gav: Scratchy, scratchy.

Gav: There's a chance we might hear them at some

Gav: point.

Dan: And then her neighbour outside.

Dan: Her neighbour sees something in the trash

Dan: pile moving and screams, so we get the

Dan: sense that there's definitely something

Dan: under the ground.

Dan: Already Cut to the police headquarters, the

Dan: cop shop, and Captain Bosch is there, and

Dan: there's more and more reports coming in of

Dan: missing people.

Dan: But because they're homeless people they

Dan: don't really keep too much of a track of

Dan: them, and in fact some of the police say

Dan: it's not that important though, if a few

Dan: homeless people go missing, is it?

Gav: We've skipped past short-short-head Pixie

Gav: lady.

Dan: Of course, sorry, I do apologise.

Gav: Yeah, it's her his neighbour.

Dan: She's the one that sees the trash pile,

Dan: yeah she does look like a Pixie.

Dan: Little Pixie.

Dan: Yeah, she's the landlady of the whole

Dan: building, isn't she?

Gav: Oh is she.

Dan: Yeah, so the police basically don't really

Dan: care that they don't really care that all

Dan: these people are going missing.

Dan: But Captain Bosch he's been good captain

Dan: that he is he suspects there's more to this

Dan: story and actually we find out his wife's

Dan: been missing for a day and she was the lady

Dan: at the beginning who was dragged into the

Dan: sewer by a chud, excuse me.

Dan: So he goes to his captain and he says look,

Dan: I know you think that it doesn't count, but

Dan: there's so many underground people that are

Dan: moving that are disappearing and vanishing.

Dan: I think there's more to this.

Dan: We've got to investigate this, actually

Dan: make a horror version of the Wombles.

Dan: I did not expect you to come out with that,

Dan: rob zombies, the Wombles, wombles, rob

Dan: Wombles.

Trailer Voice: Rob.

Gav: Wombles.

Gav: I'm gonna change my name to Rob Wombles.

Dan: Brilliant, hi, I'm Robert Wombles.

Dan: Nice to meet you.

Dan: Um, do you think like when he goes places,

Dan: people are like, oh, mr Zombie, nice to

Dan: meet you.

Gav: Yeah yeah, they can.

Gav: After that he's good of.

Gav: I presume he's changed his name legit.

Gav: What dickhead To show.

Gav: Moon zombie, moon zombie, yeah.

Dan: Oh god, how do we always come up to back to

Dan: Rob Zombie?

Dan: I don't know but bless them.

Gav: They're doing whatever they want and

Gav: they're happy.

Dan: So they bring this crazy homeless man in

Dan: and they interview him and Captain Bosch is

Dan: speaking to him and he says come on, tell

Dan: me what's going on.

Dan: Then he says creatures, there's creatures

Dan: underground.

Dan: And he just pulls out this big, giant knife

Dan: in the middle of the police station and

Dan: starts stabbing it into the table and

Dan: rather than sort of shoot him or arrest him,

Dan: they sort of will just back off and go oh

Dan: gosh, he's got a bit of a story to tell,

Dan: hasn't he?

Gav: Doesn't feel like the typical film American

Gav: cop we would see in here is trigger happy.

Dan: So, george, who is John Hurd, who is Kevin

Dan: Macalester's dad, he's got a relationship

Dan: with this person and he bells them out.

Dan: I love.

Gav: You had to explain to three different

Gav: categories of people there the home alone

Gav: fans.

Dan: The people who know him by his acting name

Dan: and his character in this.

Dan: He bells her out because he's got a bit of

Dan: relationship with her and you know she's.

Dan: He takes photos of her, which all sounds

Dan: very creepy, but he's doing it for his sort

Dan: of documentary sort of thing, that he's

Dan: doing his project.

Dan: And she says, like what, what were you

Dan: doing?

Dan: Why did you get arrested?

Dan: She says, oh, I tried to take that cop's

Dan: gun.

Dan: I need it for self-defense.

Dan: There's things going on underground that

Dan: you know all us guys, as homeless guys, we

Dan: need weapons.

Dan: So guns, knives, anything we can we need to

Dan: defend ourselves.

Dan: So he says well, look, let me walk you back

Dan: to the cave that you live in, like the

Dan: opening to the entrance to the underground

Dan: bit.

Dan: So while they're walking along, another cop

Dan: starts following him because he suspects

Dan: hmm, why is he belled her out?

Dan: This is all a bit weird.

Dan: I'm going to follow this guy and see what's

Dan: going on.

Gav: Before be very, very, very, very quick,

Gav: jumping back very much.

Gav: Daniel Stern is talked to by old Dick Dick,

Gav: whatever his name is.

Dan: His name is Captain Bosch.

Gav: his name is Captain Bosch is talked to and

Gav: he explains to him that I've got a group of

Gav: people I've not seen recently, the homeless

Gav: group.

Gav: It's like 12 of them I've not seen for like

Gav: two weeks.

Gav: They come up here every day for soup and I

Gav: have not seen them.

Gav: And it's only my underground people.

Gav: Do you understand?

Gav: Only the underground ones?

Dan: so that mystery element is thrown in there

Dan: as well, yeah, because he he's called the

Dan: Reverend Daniel Stern because he's a bit of

Dan: a like a cult leader.

Gav: he basically he's doing good deal as

Gav: detectives, like kind of like what you're

Gav: up to and merely.

Gav: I don't know his backstory but the text is

Gav: like a bit of a dick at first.

Dan: Yeah, but then he realizes all this guy is

Dan: trying to do is feed these, these homeless

Dan: people, and he knows them all so well.

Dan: He knows that some of them don't like to

Dan: come out, so he leaves like sandwiches in

Dan: certain holes for them in the ground so

Dan: that they can come and eat it and stuff.

Gav: He's a good guy and he's those rats and

Gav: have them straight away.

Dan: They would.

Dan: The chuds will definitely eat them.

Dan: Basket case well probably puts me like a

Dan: thing.

Dan: What would happen if basket case and chud

Dan: sort of bumped into each other at a tunnel

Dan: under New York?

Dan: I actually think basket case might win.

Gav: Maybe he's a bit of a psycho.

Dan: But yeah, you're right.

Dan: He tells him it's only the people that live

Dan: underground, the other homeless people that

Dan: live on the streets.

Dan: They're not disappearing.

Dan: It's like the people underground.

Dan: So this is also untied together now.

Dan: But yeah, so going back to Ruru sorry,

Dan: you're right, I did jump ahead a little bit

Dan: there so he walks her back to her thing and

Dan: they go through some tunnels together and

Dan: Kevin McAllister's like oh god, why am I

Dan: crawling for all this shit?

Gav: The dude the reason they go down there.

Gav: Well, they get to.

Gav: I think the dude's got the real bad cup

Gav: where they get to when they get to that

Gav: point, he's got a whitest teeth ever for a

Gav: homeless man yeah so what the fuck?

Dan: Well, they go through lots of tunnels, some

Dan: big, some tiny.

Dan: We see lots of different people living

Dan: underground.

Gav: Boss says.

Gav: He says why have you got such an interest

Gav: in this man?

Gav: And Boss says like uh, my wife, she went

Gav: missing.

Dan: Yeah, that's right, and they've met.

Dan: They also meet Victor, who's under ground

Dan: with the injury he's got pretty bad.

Dan: He says if you've got a gun, I want a gun.

Dan: His leg is really fucked because he's been

Dan: attacked by a chud although we don't know

Dan: what they're called at this point but he's

Dan: been attacked.

Dan: So yeah, boss, his wife is missing and they

Dan: start to discuss this EPA probe, which is

Dan: the Environmental Protection Agency's

Dan: investigation that's been going on.

Dan: Now.

Dan: It should have only gone on for two weeks,

Dan: but it's been going on for about six weeks.

Dan: So the government obviously think there's

Dan: more under New York than just, you know,

Dan: the usual two weeks, make sure there's

Dan: nothing bad under there, which they do once

Dan: a year, and that's it.

Gav: They find a gaga counter and pick it up and

Gav: it goes off the chain.

Gav: It's a bit like straight away, like get the

Gav: fuck out of here, let's go.

Dan: I love this team up now where you've got

Dan: this like leader of the homeless guys and

Dan: Captain.

Gav: Boss, I just wish the detective was better

Gav: at the cast.

Dan: I know what you mean but that side is it's

Dan: a cool little detective story almost this

Dan: part of it really you know there's a murder

Dan: mystery.

Dan: You're like what's happened then?

Gav: why is there a guy behind the set?

Gav: It's a shame because it could have been.

Gav: All the other castings pretty good.

Gav: Is it real shame?

Dan: Yeah, and then we end that scene with a

Dan: growling sound and they sort of get the

Dan: fuck out of there.

Dan: Now Kevin McAllister's model girlfriend

Dan: tells him she is pregnant and they discuss

Dan: it.

Dan: What do we do?

Dan: What do we do?

Dan: And she says, well, what do you want to do?

Dan: He's like, well, I want to keep it.

Dan: And she's like, well, then, we'll keep it.

Dan: So they're very happy.

Gav: Yeah, he ain't going to give a fuck about

Gav: that kid.

Gav: I'm too, busy.

Gav: I'm taking pictures.

Gav: He is not going to give a shit and they are

Gav: going to break up.

Gav: That's there.

Gav: I've seen it.

Gav: Seen it in the cards already.

Dan: So we get a little bit of backstory for

Dan: those two there.

Dan: So we now know that she is pregnant, so we

Dan: get that extra little bit of vulnerability

Dan: for her character throughout this film

Dan: early stages but even so, she's still

Dan: pregnant.

Dan: Cut to an old man and a little girl, which

Dan: sounds weird, but let me yeah they get,

Dan: they get lost.

Dan: They're lost in New York, like home alone

Dan: too.

Dan: And they go in a phone booth and he rings

Dan: up whoever he's calling and says look,

Dan: we're lost, we don't know where we are.

Dan: Can you come and collect us?

Dan: I'm I've got my granddaughter with me here.

Dan: Can somebody come and help us please?

Dan: And while this is happening she spots the

Dan: little girl, spots a chud coming out of the

Dan: sewers, and she's scared, but before she

Dan: can say anything to her grandpa, we see its

Dan: face, yeah, very quickly.

Dan: It's great, though looks good yeah, it's

Dan: got like bright yellow eyes, that sort of

Dan: go in different directions.

Dan: Yeah, I was into it.

Dan: It's like a cross between Nosferatu and I

Dan: don't know.

Dan: Really, it's just very slimy looking

Dan: monster, looks good.

Dan: Not what I remembered them looking like as

Dan: well.

Dan: In my head they're more like the basket

Dan: case, but they're not.

Dan: They're actually like well, humanoid,

Dan: cannibalistic, humanoid underground

Dan: dwellers.

Dan: Um so yeah, another death, uh.

Dan: And then we the little girl was in the

Dan: police station and they're saying bosh,

Dan: this man, this old, this little girl, says

Dan: a monster ate her grandfather.

Dan: And he's like what right, we're going to

Dan: start a search immediately.

Dan: And he springs into action and he starts a,

Dan: you know, assembling a crew of people and

Dan: they're looking at him like one earth.

Dan: Why is he so into this?

Dan: story about a monster avengers assemble

Dan: chud chud basher is assembled chud basher

Dan: that could be another thing um, at school,

Dan: when I was, uh, at school, if someone was a

Dan: bit of a sort of, if you wanted to call

Dan: someone a name, you'd sort of go oh, you're

Dan: such a chud, you need to call people chuds.

Dan: Oh, really, you're such a chud.

Dan: Same, same sort of time as we used to call

Dan: people stig dweeb, and we call people

Dan: dweebs, dorks, chuds, all these sort of

Dan: things dickheads gribo, that is all oh, we

Dan: never really had gribo, yeah gribo, we

Dan: didn't have that one it stuck for one of my

Dan: friends, though he's still called gribo.

Dan: Hope it's now funny enough oh, poor guy, is

Dan: he cannibalistic don't know is he?

Gav: humanoid last time, I'm sorry cruised, oh

Gav: so, yeah.

Dan: So captain boss brings into action and, um,

Dan: he goes to talk to marv again from home

Dan: alone and he says um, marv says right,

Dan: that's it, we're going to go and speak to

Dan: the man.

Dan: We need to present some evidence to city

Dan: office and tell them about all these

Dan: homeless people that are missing and that

Dan: there's more to this story than meets the

Dan: eye.

Dan: And now a grandfather's been killed as well.

Dan: And boss says yeah, don't forget my wife as

Dan: well.

Dan: They're like right, let's go, let's go to

Dan: city hall and tell them about this.

Dan: And they're going to show the geiger

Dan: counter as well and explain about the

Dan: radioactivity.

Dan: It gets very, very tense, but they're not.

Dan: They're kind of their story isn't really

Dan: fully listened to, as you would expect.

Dan: It's kind of like when the ghostbusters go

Dan: speak to the mayor yeah it's that kind of

Dan: story.

Dan: No one's interested in it.

Dan: Uh, meanwhile, loren and george celebrating

Dan: their um pregnancy by having some champagne

Dan: in the park.

Dan: Probably not a good idea for her to be

Dan: drinking, to be honest, but it was the 80s

Dan: yeah 80s different rules.

Dan: And while they're having their picnic, a

Dan: reporter sneaks up on them and says mr

Dan: wayscote from before yeah, he says listen,

Dan: I need to speak to you.

Dan: The police have been tailing you and they

Dan: want to know what your connection to these

Dan: homeless people is.

Dan: There's a story at work here.

Dan: I'm a reporter and there's something going

Dan: on with the homeless people going missing.

Dan: It's something to do with radioactive waste,

Dan: but they want to hide the evidence.

Dan: They want, don't want, anyone to know about

Dan: it.

Dan: You interested, you interested, mm-hmm.

Dan: He says I want to know all about these bums,

Dan: bums, oh yeah, the homeless people.

Dan: Yeah, not your bum, it's the bottom.

Dan: You perked my interests.

Dan: I want to know about your bum.

Dan: He says we think it's something nuclear,

Dan: it's.

Dan: It's always something's going down.

Dan: So he peaks kevin mcconnell's interest here,

Dan: because he's, although he's a photographer,

Dan: he's a bit of a a journalist as well, isn't

Dan: he?

Dan: He kind of documents what's going on with

Dan: these homeless people and he's got an

Dan: interest in it as well.

Dan: So he thinks, hmm, okay, maybe I'll, maybe

Dan: I'll listen to this reporter and see what's

Dan: going on.

Dan: Yeah, so back in the office they're

Dan: discussing the sightings of a monster.

Dan: Now they've got all the the mayor and all

Dan: of the people from high up in the city and

Dan: in this room you've got captain bosh and

Dan: then a homeless looking guy boy with a

Dan: suitcase full of weird photos.

Gav: You're not going to listen to what these

Gav: guys are saying, that they're telling you

Gav: there's monsters under the city no you're

Gav: not, so you've got to admire bosh for

Gav: trying it's a bit weird way things I'll

Gav: take this home is doing with me.

Gav: It's going to help well, they.

Dan: So, um they.

Dan: He finds the file, because marv kicks off

Dan: and he runs out the office and he finds the

Dan: bosh finds a file with chud written on the

Dan: top of it and he says what is this?

Dan: What's this about?

Dan: Cannibalistic, humanoid, underground

Dan: dweller, what earth is this?

Dan: Um?

Dan: And they take bosh down to a mortuary and

Dan: say, look, this is just between you and us,

Dan: but this is, this is a creature that we

Dan: think is killed some people.

Dan: And it's pretty cool, because you don't see

Dan: the creature really.

Dan: You see in reflection of his hazmat suit,

Dan: don't you?

Gav: oh, because it all goes a bit predator too.

Gav: They just send these guys down there and

Gav: they're.

Gav: They're up on a screen watching them.

Dan: It's so predator too oh yeah, but that

Dan: that's in just a moment.

Dan: Yeah, okay, sorry.

Gav: Before that, though, marv is outside and

Gav: he's trying to make a phone call oh, you

Gav: mean when they go down they say they've

Gav: caught one, and they go down and they

Gav: actually look at it.

Dan: Yeah yeah, that's, very much.

Gav: Yeah, it's just a reflection of it, yeah

Gav: and.

Dan: But while while that's going on, there's a

Dan: weird moment where marv is trying to make a

Dan: phone call but because he's been tailed by

Dan: these like fbi guys, one of them just takes

Dan: them the penny off of him so he can't put

Dan: it in the phone uh, the payphone and he

Dan: just swallows the coin.

Dan: It doesn't say anything bosh's guys.

Gav: Yeah, yeah, because the reason why,

Gav: basically, bosh is told not to send any

Gav: guys down there, because he goes okay, just

Gav: sends the people down and he goes whoa,

Gav: how'd you know, that's the only one.

Gav: And he goes no, no, no, no, it's fine, it's

Gav: fine he said.

Dan: He said he's the only one, don't worry, gas

Dan: choke on gas, so be fine.

Dan: So just send all guys go down there.

Gav: So then bosh bosh is all like, uh, all

Gav: sneaky like, and gets his group of men's

Gav: down there already yeah, because he says

Gav: I'm a commando team.

Dan: He says I want to send a crack unit down

Dan: there with flamethrowers, not just like

Dan: with guns what if there is gas, though?

Gav: isn't that really a bad idea?

Gav: Yes, it's.

Dan: I want to send them with flamethrowers.

Gav: I don't want them wearing shell suits

Gav: anything like go home, go home, go direct

Gav: traffic bosh don't worry, they'll have a

Gav: canary with them.

Dan: Um, he wants to send them down that's why

Dan: they've got the gas masks.

Dan: He says, just in case there's more than one

Dan: of them, because he now knows that there's

Dan: definitely at least one one of these

Dan: monsters.

Dan: But they overrule him and say, no, that's

Dan: not happening.

Dan: Yeah we're sending out, don't send down

Dan: down flamethrowers there's, they've got gas

Dan: masks, because there's gas so it's a good

Dan: little chest move here now because they

Dan: override him and they say we've got our own

Dan: men going down there now.

Dan: And while they're down there on their their

Dan: video cameras, suddenly all of bosh's dudes

Dan: show up with flamethrowers and they're like

Dan: who are these guys?

Dan: And he's like they're my men.

Dan: And they're like no, no, you can't have

Dan: them down here.

Dan: And he says they're not happy about, we're

Dan: not happy with bosh, what you're gonna do

Dan: about it yeah, we're already here, but

Dan: again, though, there's a reason.

Gav: There's gas.

Gav: Flamethrower is bad.

Gav: I don't think we've written till now.

Dan: Ridiculous, what well, he says to them what

Dan: are you gonna do?

Dan: Your men have got video cameras, my men

Dan: have got flamethrowers brilliant you would

Dan: win so, yeah, it has gone all predator two

Dan: really has um.

Gav: One thing those cameras would be really

Gav: fucking heavy, yeah.

Gav: Another thing is you'd need a long cable.

Gav: It's 1984.

Gav: You're not talking about a little pocket

Gav: phone you're not transmitting it yeah and

Gav: if you are, it's gonna take run off so much

Gav: battery.

Gav: You'd need the electric probably, so it's

Gav: good, probably wired yeah well they they.

Dan: They actually come across a chud and they

Dan: burn it um, but it seems to survive the

Dan: fire, um, and it starts killing the

Dan: cameraman.

Dan: It's a bit like aliens as well.

Gav: The camera shut off it's funny because this

Gav: is before aliens yeah that's kind of cool

Gav: actually, um, and then there's camera

Gav: signal, probably because of all the leads,

Gav: I'm guessing probably yeah.

Dan: I need really long leads.

Dan: Well, they take this footage of these men

Dan: dying back to city hall and say right, I

Dan: told you there was something going on down

Dan: there.

Dan: There's creatures down there.

Dan: They've just killed a bunch of government

Dan: officials.

Dan: Uh, I want permission to go to war against

Dan: these chuds, these cannibalistic humanoid

Dan: underground dwellers to war yeah, I want to

Dan: go to war much.

Dan: Um now, george Kevin McAllister, dad, he

Dan: realizes someone's broken into his

Dan: apartment while all this is going on

Dan: because, in order to get the evidence they

Dan: needed, marv and captain Bosch Bosch have

Dan: broken into his apartment and stolen stolen,

Dan: all the photos of homeless people.

Dan: So he's aware, the hell are all my photos.

Dan: This is crazy.

Dan: And he says to his girlfriend have you seen

Dan: them?

Dan: She's like no, I don't know where they are.

Dan: And he's like well, someone's broken into

Dan: our apartment.

Dan: Marv and Bosch meet up again.

Dan: Bosch, big Bosch, stop saying this.

Dan: I'll help you if you're drinking while you

Dan: listen.

Dan: Every time gav says Bosch in this

Dan: particular way please take a swig.

Dan: Uh.

Dan: So Bosch tells marv about the monster

Dan: autopsy and says I've seen one of them.

Dan: They're real.

Dan: They showed me the body.

Dan: Um, this is, this is real and I'm getting,

Dan: I'm putting together a war.

Gav: I'm getting a war started against these

Gav: chud things underground and marv's like

Gav: it's like a jaws moment where they go right,

Gav: let's just go down there now.

Gav: So, uh, let's go like out now in the water,

Gav: like in jaws, that one pump they're drunk

Gav: yeah let's do it, let's go, let's go, let's

Gav: go.

Dan: What now?

Dan: Yeah, okay, cool, um.

Dan: So they go to the sewer.

Dan: Meanwhile, while that's happening, george

Dan: and the reporters go to the sewer as well.

Dan: So they're going to go down there and find

Dan: out what's going on.

Dan: But the reporter gets killed by a chud chud

Dan: chud, chud, chud, chud, chud, chud, chud,

Dan: chud.

Dan: Um Bosch in city hall finds out that the

Dan: government are going to flood sewers with

Dan: gas and he's thinking I've got flame powers

Dan: down there.

Dan: This isn't good and what they're planning

Dan: to do is just gas them all, any that might

Dan: be left over.

Dan: But what they don't realize is is that the

Dan: reporter and marv are down there sorry

Dan: reporter and Kevin McCann is just out of

Dan: down there.

Dan: So they're going to kill some innocence as

Dan: well, as well as all the homeless people

Dan: that live down there, and this is the point

Dan: that they don't care about the homeless

Dan: people no they just want to hide the

Dan: problem, hide the nuclear waste, hide the

Dan: mutation isn't hiding the problem the

Dan: government of the homeless, something

Dan: they've always done

Dan: yeah, really yeah.

Dan: Oh, gas, getting political guys.

Dan: Oh, anything else you want to say?

Dan: No, I love it.

Dan: Um, yeah, chud kills the reporter.

Dan: George runs off, um marv tries to find

Dan: another exit and he sees he accidentally

Dan: comes across like six chuds who seem to be

Dan: doing some kind of like ritual, like

Dan: they're praying or doing something.

Dan: They've got all got their arms up in the

Dan: air and they're also going uh um, yeah,

Dan: that's a really cool moment.

Gav: I wish I'd lingered on that for longer,

Gav: because he's really cool he peeps around

Gav: the corner, doesn't he's?

Dan: like 70s Italian and then he goes back and

Dan: then he sneaks out, but then he acts that

Dan: he makes a noise with his foot and they all

Dan: turn around so he runs off.

Dan: Uh, cut back to pregnant Lauren, who's

Dan: she's now found this trap door in her

Dan: basement.

Dan: She thinks hmm trap door oh good, there's

Dan: something down.

Dan: There was a.

Dan: There was an animated kid show.

Dan: For anyone who's not from the UK, there's

Dan: an animated kid show, uh claim to claim

Dan: motion yeah, claymation.

Dan: Stop motion animation about um.

Dan: It was called trap door and it's brilliant.

Dan: Each episode was only four minutes long and

Dan: it was about a guy called Burke, a big,

Dan: round blue creature, and he basically lived

Dan: in a castle with bones and a little skull

Dan: called bony um, and upstairs you never

Dan: heard what, you never saw him, but you only

Dan: ever heard his voice.

Dan: He always wanted feeding, so Burke would

Dan: have to get something at the trap door for

Dan: him.

Dan: In each episode, in every episode,

Dan: something would come out a different animal

Dan: creature, ghost, zombie whatever it was,

Dan: sort of get it back in it was brilliant.

Dan: It was so simple.

Dan: Yeah, that's it, that was it, but yeah,

Dan: that's what we were singing there.

Dan: Trap door, there's a bit on youtube, easy

Dan: to find.

Dan: Yeah, stoners, stoners, you love it but

Dan: yeah, she decides it's probably a good idea

Dan: to go down into this trap door underneath

Dan: her basement and she finds the dead dog

Dan: from the beginning of the film.

Dan: So she screams, she's not happy about it.

Dan: Um morning comes and Bosch and the cops

Dan: have been called out.

Dan: This is brutal.

Dan: Been called to the the docks because, uh,

Dan: someone's found a body it's right.

Dan: His acting doesn't make it a fit scene

Dan: brutal, so it's fine and as they get closer,

Dan: one of the cops says oh my god, it's his

Dan: wife's head, it's.

Gav: Bosch's wife's head, just that.

Gav: Oh, bosch isn't too bobbas it's fine.

Dan: Well, he is.

Dan: Because he goes straight to a bar and gets

Dan: absolutely shit-faced and the cops are like,

Dan: uh, should we just take you home soon?

Dan: He's like no, no, no, he's gonna have

Dan: another drink.

Dan: It's fine.

Gav: Um, meanwhile, Lauren calls it's better

Gav: than him sorry, uh.

Dan: Meanwhile, um, lauren calls the cops and

Dan: says there is a mutilated dog under my

Dan: basement.

Dan: Someone's put it there, please, it's

Dan: creeping me out, can someone come?

Dan: Um?

Dan: And while she's on the phone, something

Dan: creeps out of her trap door.

Dan: So because she feels a bit dirty, gav, and

Dan: because it's a 1984 film, she decides to go

Dan: and have a shower she's dirty, so I thought

Dan: the corner of her trap door she's dirty, so

Dan: she's gonna have a shower.

Dan: Yes, all sorts of wrong here so she's

Dan: having a lovely shower and suddenly the

Dan: shower plug seems to be clogged up, doesn't

Dan: it?

Dan: Yeah do you think so?

Dan: Yeah, I'll have to put my hands down here

Dan: and unclog this uh this train and loads of

Dan: blood fires out of the shower drain into

Dan: her face, but it's good always good blood

Dan: splurts in the face and here is john

Dan: goodman in the next scene in his first ever

Dan: film lection on a woman yeah, so he's a cop

Dan: with some other cops in a bit of a cafe.

Gav: He's got some quick, quick comebacks yeah.

Dan: She says, oh, you're really asking for it,

Dan: and he came up for it himself I'm not sure.

Dan: There's one point where he's really

Dan: flirting with the bum and serving them and

Dan: she says oh, you're really asking for it.

Dan: He says I've been asking for it all my life.

Dan: I just never get it.

Dan: It's like are you being a real pervert?

Dan: You're supposed to be a cop.

Dan: What's going on?

Dan: Well, anyway, he gets his comeuppance

Dan: because just before he can eat his

Dan: cheeseburger and say any more perverted

Dan: lines he reacts he reacts to something

Dan: that's it that's it.

Dan: Some chuds come in and they're massacred

Dan: all the cops.

Gav: We don't know that.

Dan: We don't see any of that we see that a bit

Dan: later on, yeah, so he's out unfortunately.

Dan: My note here says the chuds surround the

Dan: hamburger bar yeah that's exactly what

Dan: happens.

Gav: We just hear lots of screaming which, if

Gav: you're in there eating a hamburger, it's a

Gav: good burger.

Gav: You're like, man, this comes in top 10.

Gav: And you're like this is gonna be top five,

Gav: all bugs, and like this is gonna be top

Gav: three.

Gav: At that point, you're just going down to go.

Gav: Could this be top one?

Gav: At that point, chuds of attacking outside

Gav: do you not even looking?

Gav: Do you continue the burger?

Trailer Voice: are you?

Dan: do you harry you see, I'm can die happy

Dan: because I've eaten the best burger in new

Dan: york.

Dan: True true I don't care if he's chudging

Dan: then, then worry about it.

Dan: Worry about it with indigestion in a moment

Dan: now we get a real it's halion sort of style

Dan: scene next, with a little boy who is

Dan: playing in his apartment the same apartment

Dan: block that the chuds have come out of the

Dan: sewer's in and he hears banging on the door.

Dan: Something's trying to get in his apartment

Dan: and he thinks oh, I'll unlock it, but he

Dan: can't reach it.

Gav: No, and then his mum's like jimmy, jimmy,

Gav: come and get your dinner and I cross that

Gav: kid that kids could be running the street

Gav: as soon as he can he's never heard of

Gav: stranger danger, is he?

Dan: he's just he's getting in people's vans

Dan: left right in center for freeing off well,

Dan: he runs off to his dinner.

Dan: But then he runs back at the last minute

Dan: because he forgot his toy car.

Dan: But, um, luckily nothing happened.

Dan: And as he runs off into the other room, the

Dan: door bursts open and the chud's arms come

Dan: through.

Dan: So there's now a chud impression.

Dan: So there's now a chud bursting into his

Dan: apartment and probably other apartments in

Dan: the block as well.

Dan: Now, back at the diner, we see the

Dan: aftermath of the thing they never showed.

Dan: They showed us all the press are there, all

Dan: reporters, cops, and it's a blood bath.

Gav: There's blood everywhere, there's a radio

Gav: dj, like sort of saying over the top to

Gav: make the plot even a little bit more, like

Gav: well, what's going on here?

Gav: They're sort of saying like there's, uh,

Gav: there's, it's really weird, there's.

Dan: There's no bodies, there's no witnesses,

Dan: just blood everywhere yeah, and they sort

Dan: of say, oh, it's a gas.

Dan: I think it's a gas explosion.

Dan: Why?

Gav: is it gas every time?

Dan: it's like weather balloons, whenever

Dan: something happens to the government or like

Dan: it's a weather balloon it's like it's.

Gav: It's like uh uh aeroplane gag or something.

Gav: Do you know what I mean?

Gav: A bloome, don't gas.

Dan: Bloome, don't gas, it's just gas no, I saw

Dan: the chud, the chud, ate my leg in front of

Dan: me.

Dan: No, let's just gas.

Dan: It was gas.

Dan: It's just gas, my friend, just gas.

Dan: But yes, blood everywhere.

Dan: No bodies.

Dan: Meanwhile, george is still on the ground

Dan: and he finds lots and lots and lots of dead

Dan: bodies.

Dan: Um, I was half a homeless person.

Dan: You what?

Dan: Sorry?

Dan: Oh yeah, he finds half.

Dan: I thought you said I was half a homeless

Dan: person Months, I thought you were revealing

Dan: some which half.

Gav: It's like a sexual thing.

Gav: I get I sort of dress, half of me sort of

Gav: more, like more freddy clothes, sort of

Gav: different clothing.

Dan: I was once half of a Bandsome horse.

Dan: I was once half of a homeless person yeah,

Dan: great.

Dan: So the plan to pump the gas into the series

Dan: is still going ahead.

Dan: Bosch tries to stop it because he also

Dan: knows that his buddies are under them.

Dan: And Lauren sees all of this happening on

Dan: the news and they again.

Dan: They say a gas explosion is to blame for

Dan: all these dead cops in a grill bar.

Dan: No, is it, though?

Dan: Is it really?

Dan: Is it really so?

Dan: The chud start coming after Lauren, she

Dan: blocks the door, and then we cut back and

Dan: forth between her and what's going on at

Dan: the diner here and the surrounding area,

Dan: because the cops get killed.

Dan: George and Marr find some nuclear waste.

Dan: So this is the cause of it all.

Dan: Yep, and what's been happening for years is

Dan: that the government have just been chucking

Dan: all their nuclear waste under New York.

Dan: No, just not Not caring about what happens

Dan: to it, who it mutates into, a chud or

Dan: anything.

Dan: Don't care about giant alligators on

Dan: injured turtles or chuds living under the

Dan: sewers, don't care.

Dan: Don't care about the homeless people, but

Dan: they just they need to find a way to let

Dan: people know that they're underground.

Gav: Come back to Lauren's apartment and you can

Gav: really see the chuds like really clearly

Gav: here.

Gav: They look great.

Dan: Yeah, they're.

Dan: It is really good practical effects.

Dan: Mutant red eyes yeah, and it's a guy in a

Dan: suit, but just looks great.

Gav: One of them's head's going to really

Gav: stretch his fur out, which is really weird,

Gav: and she just gets a bat and just saw what

Gav: she gets something and she cuts it off.

Dan: She gets a samurai sword off of him Ah cool.

Dan: And she chops his head off and it's a great

Dan: shot and in fact the head looks great when

Dan: it rolls across the ground and the eyes are

Dan: still sort of glowing.

Dan: Yeah, just so happens, they have a samurai

Dan: sword hanging on the wall.

Dan: Yeah, it's good to have one of those, just

Dan: in case.

Gav: Dude escapes from the drains.

Dan: Yeah, well, don't forget, lauren steals a

Dan: police car.

Dan: She's such a badass that she steals a

Dan: police car because she wants to go and

Dan: rescue.

Dan: You know her, her bloke.

Dan: So she's stolen a police car.

Dan: Amongst all of this nonsense, yeah, they

Dan: want to get out, but they park a car on top

Dan: of the sewer.

Dan: The police do so that the guys can get out

Dan: of the sewers.

Dan: Bosch gets shot and it all is.

Dan: You know, like some films we say they, they,

Dan: the third act was a bit, it dragged a bit

Dan: too much.

Dan: Yeah, but for me the third act goes too

Dan: quickly.

Dan: It all happened so quickly.

Dan: It wraps up in the last 15 minutes, so much

Dan: goes on.

Dan: Offer the dragon myself.

Dan: Oh, really, yeah, okay, well, they

Dan: eventually fight their way out.

Dan: The guy that the sort of not the mayor, but

Dan: the man in the office is trying to stop all

Dan: of this and cover it all up, he rams his

Dan: truck at them.

Gav: Why?

Gav: Oh yeah, because it's trying to cover up.

Dan: Yeah, but they they end up shooting him.

Dan: The whole truck explodes.

Dan: Bosch is actually still alive, even though

Dan: he got shot.

Dan: He's lying there on the ground, marv's

Dan: helping him and Lauren and George kiss as

Dan: the van burns behind them.

Dan: Quite a nice shot and real practical.

Dan: They actually set a van on fire Again.

Dan: You wouldn't do these, do that these days,

Dan: but they set a van on fire and they just

Dan: kissed right in front of it and that's it.

Gav: That's it what happened to the chuds.

Dan: They all got burnt and exploded in the fire.

Gav: Oh, right, fair enough, yeah, yeah.

Dan: No, it feels like we rushed through that,

Dan: but that is because it snowballs so quickly

Dan: that the third act just bounces along at

Dan: such a pace.

Dan: And it's quite a short film anyway.

Dan: I think it's only about 80 minutes long.

Gav: They didn't have a huge amount of speak of

Gav: it.

Gav: Really it was okay-ish.

Dan: Okay Again, for me the plot is really good.

Dan: I love the whole government cover-up.

Dan: I love that kind of stuff.

Dan: Throwing stuff in the sewers, throwing

Dan: radiation and things being mutated Love all

Dan: of that.

Dan: My biggest problem is there aren't enough

Dan: chuds in this.

Dan: I want more chuds.

Dan: Gav More chuds.

Gav: I'll be on my great scene.

Dan: I would like to have seen more of the chuds?

Gav: Absolutely, that would be splendid.

Gav: I think that's the best way.

Gav: They should have gone with it.

Gav: More of that stuff.

Gav: I think a film could have been fucking

Gav: amazing classic but I feel like it was

Gav: handled okay, but not amazingly, it's all

Gav: right, but it could have been like man,

Gav: that's a great movie People wouldn't really

Gav: have got it because back then probably

Gav: because it was so anti-the-man People

Gav: didn't want that in their horror films.

Dan: They just wanted A to B.

Dan: They didn't want to understand a government

Dan: cover-up Around.

Gav: Then you would have had quite a lot of

Gav: government cover-up movies, which would

Gav: have been as I got it's, definitely with

Gav: Watergate type things going on, yeah, but I

Gav: do think this is the kind of If you went in

Gav: to watch this.

Dan: You're not the kind of audience member that

Dan: would be wanting that right Like a teenage

Dan: boy is going to watch this, so that's

Dan: probably what it did.

Dan: It's become a cult classic on VHS over time.

Gav: I think I actually have it on VHS, but it's

Gav: hard to get to, but I'm pretty sure I have

Gav: got it on VHS.

Dan: Nice Well, it's definitely one that people

Dan: talk about.

Dan: It's in that weird genre of radioactive

Dan: mutated mutant creatures that basket case,

Dan: chud and a few other things fall into.

Dan: Yeah, and if you're into that sort of thing,

Dan: you'll want to check out that sort of

Dan: subgenre.

Gav: but do check out chud.

Gav: It's a good start.

Gav: I think it's more of a A good start in.

Dan: I think it's more commercial than basket

Dan: case.

Gav: So I think this is going to be the more

Gav: accessible one.

Gav: I think it'll be alligator as well.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, ninja Turtles, that's

Dan: slightly off.

Dan: I would say this is the more sort of

Dan: commercially accessible of the two.

Dan: I think if you want to be disturbed, watch

Dan: basket case, but if you just want to be

Dan: sort of entertained, watch chud.

Dan: But they're both decent films.

Dan: It's a thumbs up from me, yeah, it's a

Dan: thumbs up from me, I think.

Dan: So you prefer this one to basket case.

Dan: Yeah, what I'll say is my sign off with

Dan: both of these really is with such low

Dan: budgets they really did a great job and

Dan: horror films didn't do, didn't make loads

Dan: of money at this time, but on video they

Dan: did, and both of these did great on rental

Dan: and pirate probably, and I think they for

Dan: me, revisiting them after many, many years,

Dan: they kind of still hold up well.

Dan: They've got a lot to say about society,

Dan: government mutation, that kind of stuff,

Dan: even family stuff in basket case, and

Dan: they're surprisingly entertaining still.

Dan: Which do I prefer?

Dan: It's difficult to say.

Dan: I've always loved chud, but actually I

Dan: think I slightly prefer a basket case, just

Dan: for I get the same sensation as when I

Dan: watch, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or

Dan: something a bit grimy, you know, and you're

Dan: like, why don't I watch that?

Gav: Fair enough.

Dan: But no, they're decent.

Dan: And yeah, check it out, check out chud.

Dan: But the chud is.

Dan: A lot of people love that one.

Dan: I probably love that one more than chud.

Gav: I don't know if I watch it again.

Gav: I might be like this is awful, but I

Gav: probably would.

Dan: Yeah, I doubt if we'll ever cover it.

Dan: But yeah, chud big chud a thumbs, chud chud,

Dan: thumb, chud, thumb, pfft up it goes.

Gav: Right, let's get into the outro and we're

Gav: back again.

Dan: Thanks for listening, thanks for chudding

Dan: with us.

Gav: We'll see you in the next episode.

Dan: We'll see you in the next episode.

Dan: If you've got a basket with something in it,

Dan: give us some of your raw sausages.

Gav: Yeah, by the same guy?

Gav: I think no, not by the same guy.

Gav: It's a dude who was maybe on set for

Gav: something.

Gav: He's a younger guy, also of age, I think.

Dan: Well, there we go.

Dan: So, yeah, fun episode Been wanting to

Dan: revisit these two for a while.

Dan: There are two movies that I don't often

Dan: hear people talk about, so I always love it

Dan: when we cover films that other podcasts or

Dan: other shows don't really mention too often,

Dan: and we've still got so many classics to

Dan: come.

Dan: Talking of which, should we talk about what

Dan: our next few episodes are going to be?

Gav: Yeah, please.

Dan: Okay.

Dan: So for the next episode, episode 145, we've

Dan: got a little anthology special.

Dan: We're going to be covering the Twilight

Dan: Zone Movie from 83, and Cat's Eye, the

Dan: Stephen King film from 85.

Dan: Drew Barrymore is in that one.

Dan: So a couple of good little anthologies

Dan: there to talk about Interesting, yeah.

Dan: And then after that will be our Christmas

Dan: episode slash, our 10 year anniversary

Dan: episode.

Gav: This is weird.

Dan: Which is weird.

Dan: We must say that only a few days ago, it

Dan: was 10 years ago that our Facebook page was

Dan: created.

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: Which is nuts.

Dan: 10 years that's been going.

Gav: If anybody does want to send a message in,

Gav: we shall play it if you wish to you know,

Gav: yeah, or even just write something and

Gav: we'll read it out.

Dan: I will be putting the reminders out as we

Dan: enter closer to that.

Dan: Yeah, it is really weird Longer than some

Dan: people have had jobs.

Dan: So, yeah, we'll be covering National

Dan: Lampoon's Christmas Vacation for that one,

Dan: because we both love that movie and it's

Dan: Christmas and it's our 10 year anniversary,

Dan: so screw it, that'll be a fun one, and then

Dan: we'll talk all things Christmasy and we'll

Dan: probably reflect on 10 years of podcasting.

Gav: We're just doing one movie Home Alone yeah,

Gav: yeah, not Home Alone.

Gav: What is it?

Dan: National Lampoon's.

Gav: Christmas yeah.

Dan: And we can cover Home Alone as well my

Dan: favourite Christmas film of the time, yeah

Dan: that's fine.

Dan: Yeah, so that's episode 146, and then that

Dan: takes us into 2024.

Dan: So the first, our first episode of that

Dan: year, of next year, will be a patron pick,

Dan: a pa-pa-pa-pa, patron pick, pick, pick,

Dan: pick.

Dan: And it's back to Matthew Godley.

Gav: Oh yeah, I never looked for that thing last

Gav: time.

Dan: A patron pick, pick, pick, pick.

Dan: So for episode 147, our first episode of

Dan: next year, matthew has selected two very

Dan: different films.

Dan: We will be covering the brutal and gritty

Dan: British Brutal.

Dan: The brutal there's a new word will be

Dan: covering the brutal British dirty

Dan: uncomfortable Revenge.

Gav: Thriller Revenge thriller.

Dan: It's called Dead Man's Shoes, from 2004.

Dan: Excellent film, really good stuff.

Dan: And he's paired that one up with none other

Dan: than 1980s Flash Gordon, amazing.

Dan: So, that's going to be a hell of a way to

Dan: kick off the new year.

Gav: Or only feet away from Brian Blessers a

Gav: couple of days ago.

Dan: Yeah, Gav sent me a photo.

Dan: He went to Redding Comic-Con to promote

Dan: Sanctuary Moon and sent me a selfie of him

Dan: smiling, and in the background there was a

Dan: very old Brian Blesser at a table signing

Dan: people's photos yeah, probably shouting at

Dan: them.

Gav: Hopefully he doesn't die soon or go missing,

Gav: because last time I did that was with

Gav: Julian Sands.

Gav: I sent it to Sarah like that.

Dan: And then he went missing, julian Sands, and

Dan: he's dead.

Dan: Rest in peace, julian Sands, we covered

Dan: your movie.

Dan: I'm Ratanaphobia.

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: So yeah, that's Matthew's episode.

Dan: Matthew's episode coming up the other day

Dan: someone on a Facebook post, just someone.

Gav: All the horror movies come out this year.

Gav: And I went, wow, not one isn't a remake.

Gav: And someone went what I think trying to

Gav: like question me like I don't know what I

Gav: was talking about or something.

Gav: I don't know why, because it's very easy to

Gav: see that.

Gav: And I went, what?

Gav: Ratanaphobia is not a remake, it's a remake.

Gav: I was like, yes, what's original is great.

Dan: Yeah, I forgot they're remaking that.

Dan: It's a shame that there's so many remakes.

Gav: Or making another movie, Spider movie, or

Gav: make the same Spider movie they're making

Gav: and don't call it Ratanaphobia.

Dan: Yeah.

Gav: That's fairly easy.

Dan: There's been a few spider films out.

Dan: It's Hibitsia watched recently.

Dan: It wasn't very good, though you know I

Dan: don't think anything really can live up to

Dan: Ratanaphobia because it isn't a horror

Dan: movie as such, although it is terrifying.

Gav: It's a great movie, it's just a it's never

Gav: watched it.

Gav: I'm like, come on, it's one like it's

Gav: accessible for kids.

Gav: One.

Dan: Well, what's good about it is it's all

Dan: wrapped up in a sort of family friendly,

Dan: spielberg type Spielberg type thing, but

Dan: then it's a really creepy creature feature

Dan: it's such a good movie.

Gav: It's a good movie.

Dan: Yeah, we covered that for our Spider

Dan: episode many, many, many many years ago,

Dan: along with eight-legged freaks.

Dan: So yeah, that's our next three episodes.

Dan: So yeah, it's crazy that we're talking

Dan: about it next year now.

Dan: But yeah, christmas episode, then into New

Dan: Year, then after that will be your birthday

Dan: at the end of January and we already know

Dan: now that we're covering the Sorcerer and

Dan: Studio 666.

Dan: I'm excited to watch that because I haven't

Dan: ever seen it so You're appreciated because

Dan: it's a love letter to 80s horror.

Gav: Yeah, jc is in it as well, kind of in the

Gav: same way like in our Ross Dermot

Gav: Thanksgiving, but actually more fun.

Gav: Tongue and cheek like really good go at

Gav: times in it as well, I look forward to that.

Dan: I quite like the Food Fighters as well.

Gav: Dave Grohl's great in it actually.

Gav: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, he's a pretty good actor in anything.

Gav: I've seen One of these band members, a guy

Gav: called Pat is absolutely appalling, but

Gav: it's kind of endearing, okay, and obviously

Gav: one of he's gone to sweet.

Dan: One of those guys passed away recently as

Dan: well.

Dan: Yeah, we can talk about that as well, cool,

Dan: alrighty.

Dan: Well, let me do some admin and then we can

Dan: say our goodbyes and farewells, if you may,

Dan: if I may.

Gav: You may.

Dan: Oh, you may.

Trailer Voice: Before yeah.

Gav: You can be may away.

Gav: So thank you, may away Say, say I may.

Dan: Say I may.

Gav: Away.

Gav: Okay, roll around in the hay.

Dan: So thank you for listening.

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Dan: As always, we are the podcast on a haunted

Dan: hill.

Dan: We are a proud member of Legion Podcasts

Dan: Network.

Dan: If you head over to the website, which is

Dan: legionpodcasts.com you can find out about us

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Dan: that network and all of their back catalogs.

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Dan: Hey, Now we are most active on Facebook.

Dan: We have a Facebook page which has been

Dan: running for 10 years now, we can say, which

Dan: is crazy.

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Dan: You do have to ask to be added.

Dan: Now that seems to have stopped the porn

Dan: spam, so that's great.

Dan: We no longer are getting that because I've

Dan: made it a private group.

Dan: But as long as you're a real person and not

Dan: a bot and you haven't been on Facebook just

Dan: for one month, then I'll probably allow you

Dan: to join.

Dan: Not that I'm being a little Nazi, but I

Dan: have to be careful because I don't want to

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Dan: legion have a Facebook page as well, which

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Dan: It's probably self explanatory.

Dan: If you want to message us, tell us what

Dan: you'd like us to do next, or if you want to

Dan: ask us a question, give us some feedback.

Dan: You can either message me on Facebook or

Dan: you can email us at:

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Dan: That's outlook.com

Dan: We're really listening to us now, as we're

Dan: where you can continue to listen to us.

Dan: So platforms Spotify, YouTube, pod night,

Dan: Apple podcast app, pod bean and all the

Dan: other bits and bobs.

Dan: We're on Instagram, which I use mainly to

Dan: promote the episodes, and I always attach a

Dan: link to a little montage, a little collage

Dan: of the movies that we've covered for that

Dan: episode.

Dan: It's just the podcast on haunted hill Insta.

Dan: If you follow that, that'd be brilliant and

Dan: I'll follow you back.

Dan: And yeah, you can just look at the little

Dan: monta collages I've created and you'll have

Dan: a link to the episode there as well.

Dan: And aside from that, we are also deadbolt

Dan: films.

Dan: So go to deadboltfilmscom or visit our

Dan: YouTube channel.

Dan: It's just deadbolt films.

Dan: Right now we have Star Wars, Sanctuary Moon.

Dan: We've got just over 9000 views in just over

Dan: two weeks.

Dan: We're very proud of that project.

Dan: Please watch it.

Dan: Let us know what you think.

Dan: Just watch it.

Dan: Tell your friends about it, your Star Wars

Dan: fan friends, your horror fan friends,

Dan: anybody who likes film, anybody who likes,

Dan: you know, low budget filmmaking.

Dan: Just tell people.

Dan: Tell them to watch it.

Dan: We've done so well with it.

Dan: We're so proud of it.

Gav: And we've sort of updated the YouTube

Gav: channel, so have a little look around.

Gav: It's a lot more cleaned up and it's got a

Gav: few other short films and bits and bobs

Gav: Deadbolt films are on Instagram as well.

Dan: It's just deadbolt films, so that's where

Dan: to find them.

Dan: And finally, we're also on Patreon, as

Dan: mentioned.

Dan: We have patrons who get a Patreon pick.

Dan: I'll come back to that in a moment.

Dan: So if you want to become a patron and

Dan: support the show in a monetary fashion and

Dan: help us keep things ticking over, then

Dan: that's brilliant and we would really

Dan: appreciate that.

Dan: But we would still always do this even if

Dan: we didn't have one single patron.

Dan: We'd be doing this for free.

Dan: But if you do become a patron, just go to

Dan: Patreon and type in podcast on the hill.

Dan: Again, message me if you can't find the

Dan: link and I'll send you in the right

Dan: direction.

Dan: If you become a patron, you will get a free

Dan: t-shirt.

Dan: You will get access to lots of, but all of

Dan: our entire show back at Slough, because I'm

Dan: dropping one every Friday in order.

Dan: Currently, we've just dropped episode 105,

Dan: I think.

Dan: So we've been doing that for 105 weeks in a

Dan: row.

Dan: Now you also get to pick your own show.

Dan: So every three episodes we will have a

Dan: patron pick, where the patron picks the two

Dan: films and gives us so many review or some

Dan: interesting information about why they

Dan: picked those, and we'll read all that out

Dan: and you get to wear the crown.

Dan: The crown for that episode will be the king

Dan: or queen patron and, yeah, you'll also get

Dan: me reading out your name in a silly voice,

Dan: which I'll be doing in just a moment, gav.

Gav: I think they always look forward to that.

Dan: It's probably the main reason.

Gav: It is probably the reason.

Dan: But yeah, even if you just want to donate

Dan: one pound or one dollar a month, any little

Dan: helps.

Dan: It helps us to keep the show ticking over.

Dan: Buy equipment, rent films, buy films, yeah,

Dan: it's amazing, it really is amazing.

Dan: So, as always, a big thank you to our

Dan: patrons.

Dan: So thank you very much, and I'll try and do

Dan: these in a bit of a chud voice or a basket

Dan: case voice.

Gav: I always feel like I should say thank you.

Gav: I don't know what to do.

Gav: I'll just stay quiet, though, and let you

Gav: do it.

Dan: No, you can say thank you after each one.

Gav: Oh fine, I never know Okay.

Dan: I quite like the way that dynamics built up.

Dan: So first of all I would like to thank

Dan: Gun-Ko-Ye.

Dan: Thank you.

Gav: Thank you Godly, Thank you very much.

Dan: I hope you guys can understand what I'm

Dan: saying.

Gav: Thank you very much, kevin.

Gav: Earth's Fire oh, sounds like a biggin.

Gav: Thank you very much.

Gav: Thank you very much, jesus.

Gav: Thank you, so okay.

Gav: Thank you, oh communications, oh traffic.

Dan: Welcome Contacting.

Dan: Oh, drive them in, please.

Dan: Thank you, take it easy attentously, boy.

Dan: Okay, cool, so hoo, thank you, thank you,

Dan: oh, thank you, oh, thank you.

Dan: And, lexbro, I will be reminding you all on

Dan: Facebook to drop us messages and voice

Dan: clips and whatever else is you want us to

Dan: do for our 10 year anniversary, because we

Dan: did that for our five year, which only

Dan: seems like yesterday, really.

Dan: That was what did we do for that one.

Dan: We did Predator, didn't we for that?

Gav: one yeah.

Dan: Gosh, that was five years ago now.

Dan: Yeah, so that's it.

Dan: That's it from us.

Dan: Thank you very much everybody.

Dan: Hey Gav, thank you Dan, thank me and thank

Dan: you.

Dan: It's a good night from my funny little

Dan: brother who lives in a basket next to me

Dan: and watches me get with the receptionist

Dan: from my doctor surgery.

Gav: Oh, red flag, red flag.

Gav: It's a good night from Dan.

Dan: It's a good night from someone I know that

Dan: used to pretend someone was in the wardrobe

Dan: watching him and his wife.

Gav: Did you?

Dan: Not me, somebody else I told that story

Dan: earlier, oh yeah it's a good night from Gav.

Dan: And it's a good night from Chud.

Dan: Oh, good night, chud.

Dan: Imagine if my name was Chud Bone.

Gav: Yeah, let's not go there.

Gav: It sounds like a weird thing you do.

Dan: Listen, guys, take care, remember, check

Dan: under the sewers, check in your basements

Dan: and check in your baskets of laundry

Dan: because, there might just be a chud

Dan: watching you have sex.

Gav: Sniffing on your pants.

Dan: Yeah, what a treat for basket cases and

Dan: chuds.

Gav: Thank you for listening to the podcast on

Gav: Haunted Hill.

Gav: We will be back again real soon.